Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[Moliere]

WHat the frack are you talking about?

That's a P-diddy spelling above as I've whole heartedly accepted "frack" as the appropriate spelling.

[Topper]

Redford moved to Utah to buy a ski resort. Which reminds me of the time I came across him skiing at Alta. We told him we agreed the snow was much better there than at Sundance. He was not amused.

Well, it is true!

[Solon]

Just want to point out that the vehemence and name-calling on the gay marriage issue by those in support of gay marriage ---- i.e., making light of people's religiously held views; calling opponents bigots and hateful; mocking and making fun of others; cheering on in mockery those on hunger strikes ----- is a fascinating study of the evolution of individual and cultural views. Many of those taking the mocking tone didn't just a few years ago, and certainly didn't back in the cougargard days. There are assholes who have always been assholes (DDD), but even they were generally more guarded before their more naturally mocking natures were give more cultural space to roam.

The gay marriage issue is passing from the group of opinions for which there can be respectful disagreement into the realm that opposition can't be voiced in polite and even impolite (i.e., this pace) society anymore. It's fascinating to witness.

The folks in this thread love the sinners who oppose gay marriage, but just hate the sin of opposing gay marriage.
It's a fine point, to be sure.

[FMCoug]

The folks in this thread love the sinners who oppose gay marriage, but just hate the sin of opposing gay marriage.
It's a fine point, to be sure.

It's not about opposing gay marriage, it is about acting on those feelings. Opposing gay marriage in private is fine, but when one speaks out in opposition they've crossed the line!

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[PaloAltoCougar]

I'm an orphan, and I find myself occasionally wondering what a conversation with Mom or Dad would be like if they could somehow reappear. Among the topics, of course, would be bringing them up to speed on current events (they've been gone 13 and 8 years, respectively). At the moment, I'd probably lead with, "Well, the U.S. Supreme Court had to step in and stop the State of Utah from performing gay marriages." It'd probably be the first time Mom ever responded with, "WTF?".

[Sizzle]

Cherilyn bacon Eagar gunderson or whatever your name is....don't shove your heterosexual agenda down our throats!

DDD wants his gay sex when, where, and with whomever he pleases!

[CardiacCoug]

Just want to point out that the vehemence and name-calling on the gay marriage issue by those in support of gay marriage ---- i.e., making light of people's religiously held views; calling opponents bigots and hateful; mocking and making fun of others; cheering on in mockery those on hunger strikes ----- is a fascinating study of the evolution of individual and cultural views. Many of those taking the mocking tone didn't just a few years ago, and certainly didn't back in the cougargard days. There are assholes who have always been assholes (DDD), but even they were generally more guarded before their more naturally mocking natures were give more cultural space to roam.

The gay marriage issue is passing from the group of opinions for which there can be respectful disagreement into the realm that opposition can't be voiced in polite and even impolite (i.e., this pace) society anymore. It's fascinating to witness.

When you can't argue any actual rational merits of opposition to gay marriage, just call the other side mean, impolite assholes. Seems like a weak strategy to me -- I don't like that at all.

Why would anybody respect somebody who wants to take legitimate rights away from other people with a purely religious justification? Sorry Levin I know you're a good guy but opposition to gay marriage is ridiculous. It just is. The gay people who were married in SLC over the first few days had been together for an average of 15 years. Why on earth would a couple of 20-year old heteros who have known each other a few months have more right to the institution of marriage than these committed couples?

I think it's a great thing that it's becoming increasingly taboo to publicly oppose gay marriage just like it's taboo to publicly say racist things. It's a very analogous thing -- sorry, just being honest.

[Maximus]

When you can't argue any actual rational merits of opposition to gay marriage, just call the other side mean, impolite assholes. Seems like a weak strategy to me -- I don't like that at all.

Why would anybody respect somebody who wants to take legitimate rights away from other people with a purely religious justification? Sorry Levin I know you're a good guy but opposition to gay marriage is ridiculous. It just is. The gay people who were married in SLC over the first few days had been together for an average of 15 years. Why on earth would a couple of 20-year old heteros who have known each other a few months have more right to the institution of marriage than these committed couples?

I think it's a great thing that it's becoming increasingly taboo to publicly oppose gay marriage just like it's taboo to publicly say racist things. It's a very analogous thing -- sorry, just being honest.

So you really think opposing gay marriage is comparable to being racist?

[Northwestcoug]

So you really think opposing gay marriage is comparable to being racist?

Religious ideology drove a lot of racism back in the day. It blamed God for denying rights to other human beings. And it is the main force behind opposition to gay marriage today. So in that sense, yeah, they are comparable.

[CardiacCoug]

So you really think opposing gay marriage is comparable to being racist?

Sure, why not? Being gay is something innate/inborn. Being gay makes a person no better/worse than being straight, but for primitive/superstitious/bigoted reasons many straight people look down on gay people. Sounds a lot like race to me.

Honestly, I think a law that practicing Mormons can't get married would be a lot more defensible than a law that gays can't get married. At least being a practicing Mormon is a choice a person has made and so the law would be discrimination "for cause" rather than discrimination for something innate/inborn.

[Maximus]

Sure, why not? Being gay is something innate/inborn. Being gay makes a person no better/worse than being straight, but for primitive/superstitious/bigoted reasons many straight people look down on gay people. Sounds a lot like race to me.

Honestly, I think a law that practicing Mormons can't get married would be a lot more defensible than a law that gays can't get married. At least being a practicing Mormon is a choice a person has made and so the law would be discrimination "for cause" rather than discrimination for something innate/inborn.

Racism is equivocal to homophobia not opposition to the legality of gay marriage,

[TripletDaddy]

Racism is equivocal to homophobia not opposition to the legality of gay marriage,

Except that opposition to gay marriage is equivalent to homophobia.

eventually you will figure it out and change.

[SeattleUte]

When you can't argue any actual rational merits of opposition to gay marriage, just call the other side mean, impolite assholes. Seems like a weak strategy to me -- I don't like that at all.

Why would anybody respect somebody who wants to take legitimate rights away from other people with a purely religious justification? Sorry Levin I know you're a good guy but opposition to gay marriage is ridiculous. It just is. The gay people who were married in SLC over the first few days had been together for an average of 15 years. Why on earth would a couple of 20-year old heteros who have known each other a few months have more right to the institution of marriage than these committed couples?

I think it's a great thing that it's becoming increasingly taboo to publicly oppose gay marriage just like it's taboo to publicly say racist things. It's a very analogous thing -- sorry, just being honest.

The gay marriage issue is passing from the group of opinions for which there can be respectful disagreement into the realm that you can't argue any actual rational merits of opposition to gay marriage, just call the other side mean, impolite assholes. As with racial segregation, this has occurred once the majority of people in societies respectful of individual liberties have awakened to the fact that the old way was the way it was just because -- well, just because it was old, and just because the clergy said so. It's been fascinating to watch. (But some assholes like 3D and myself have always been assholes and understood this.)

[Uncle Ted]

Religious ideology drove a lot of racism back in the day. It blamed God for denying rights to other human beings. And it is the main force behind opposition to gay marriage today. So in that sense, yeah, they are comparable.

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“Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.” -Brigham Young.

Things were much easier back in old testament times...

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[Maximus]

Except that opposition to gay marriage is equivalent to homophobia.

eventually you will figure it out and change.

thats what some want you to believe