Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[woot]

thats what some want you to believe

Until someone comes up with a reasonable justification for being against gay marriage, what's the alternative? Of course it's bigotry.

[Moliere]

Until someone comes up with a reasonable justification for being against gay marriage, what's the alternative? Of course it's bigotry.

Some of my favorites include studies that show kids raised in SSM homes have a more difficult childhood, get teased more, suffer from depression more, etc. While I don't know the merits of these studies, I can only conclude that they are probably correct and will continue to be correct until we stop demonizing SSM families. It would be like Brigham Young preaching about the evils of interracial marraige and then conducting a study in Utah to show that the offspring of interracial marriages struggle more than those of "normal" families.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Few want to admit it, let alone discuss it, but the fact remains that all of this "states should have their own marriage laws" stuff coming from Mormons and Utahns is very much about polygamy.

It's time for me to write an article, I guess.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Do you believe it is best for kids to be raised in homes with a mother and father?

Do you believe it is best for kids to be raised in homes where their parents are married?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Few want to admit it, let alone discuss it, but the fact remains that all of this "states should have their own marriage laws" stuff coming from Mormons and Utahns is very much about polygamy.

It's time for me to write an article, I guess.

Oh brother.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Oh brother.

That's what the CoB will say, when they put it in my file.

[Jacob]

Few want to admit it, let alone discuss it, but the fact remains that all of this "states should have their own marriage laws" stuff coming from Mormons and Utahns is very much about polygamy.

It's time for me to write an article, I guess.

Sure, why not? Being gay is something innate/inborn. Being gay makes a person no better/worse than being straight, but for primitive/superstitious/bigoted reasons many straight people look down on gay people. Sounds a lot like race to me.

Honestly, I think a law that practicing Mormons can't get married would be a lot more defensible than a law that gays can't get married. At least being a practicing Mormon is a choice a person has made and so the law would be discrimination "for cause" rather than discrimination for something innate/inborn.

It remains a fact that many posts in this thread are quite stupid, even when I try to stay away and even if I were to avoid saying so.

[Sleeping in EQ]

I'll also have to mention how the repressed, Freudian phrase of "shoved down our throats" always emerges in rhetoric against gay rights.

With luck, I'll get some research-worthy hate mail.

[byu71]

Racism is equivocal to homophobia not opposition to the legality of gay marriage,

Nowdays Racism is equivalent to whatever one wants it to be equivalent to. If you think it shouldn't be mandated women get contraception paid for by the company through insurance, you are anti-women and equivalent to a racist. If you think gays should have every right a married couple (one man, one women) just not call it marriage, you are a homophobe and equivalent to a racist. If you believe in the laws against illegal immigration you are a racist. If you think Barak Obama is a lousy President, you are a racist.

Real racists are despicable. However, as in this thread the term is thrown around so loosely it has lost it's meaning and the sting that should be associated with being labeled a racist is no longer there.

I can go back and look at the terms those who don't support gay marriage have been called. I actually know people who don't support gay marriage. Anyone who knew them would call them extremely generous, very intgelligent, very successful and not having a bigotted bone in their body. If those calling them names knew them, they would say the same positive things about them until they heard, these people have an opinion that doesn't coincide with their view on gay marriage.

All of a sudden these people who have such great qualities become naive homophobic racists.

Although I honestly like all of you and would not belittle you or call you names for your opinions, on behalf of those quality people I know whom you belittle, FU.

[imanihonjin]

It remains a fact that many posts in this these are quite stupid, even when I try to stay away and even if I were to avoid saying so.

Classic time to point out stupidity.

[Solon]

Classic time to point out stupidity.

An interesting analysis.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ...-marriage-utah

I was struck by this phrase suggesting that a successful appeal is likely:

The Court entered the fray again this week when the justices stayed Judge Shelby's December ruling pending a fast-tracked appeal to the tenth circuit that, judging by previous statements of the empanelled judges, is likely to be successful. If the tenth circuit overturns Judge Shelby's decision, same-sex marriage advocates will likely petition the Supreme Court to review that ruling. Will the justices take the case? It depends on whom you ask.

[TripletDaddy]

Few want to admit it, let alone discuss it, but the fact remains that all of this "states should have their own marriage laws" stuff coming from Mormons and Utahns is very much about polygamy.

It's time for me to write an article, I guess.

What is your basis for this? At one point, every state was against gay marriage. Why is Utah's opposition rooted in polygamy and not good old fashioned homophobia and ignorance?

[Bruiserstone]

I keep hearing because you do not support gay marriage it does not make you bigoted or homophobic. Okay, I can accept that. It is always when I ask for them to tell me the reasons they are against same sex marriage. The reasons almost always frankly sound bigoted and homophobic.

[Sleeping in EQ]

What is your basis for this? At one point, every state was against gay marriage. Why is Utah's opposition rooted in polygamy and not good old fashioned homophobia and ignorance?

This is a great question, and one that I'll answer in the article.

[jay santos]

Just want to point out that the vehemence and name-calling on the gay marriage issue by those in support of gay marriage ---- i.e., making light of people's religiously held views; calling opponents bigots and hateful; mocking and making fun of others; cheering on in mockery those on hunger strikes ----- is a fascinating study of the evolution of individual and cultural views. Many of those taking the mocking tone didn't just a few years ago, and certainly didn't back in the cougargard days. There are assholes who have always been assholes (DDD), but even they were generally more guarded before their more naturally mocking natures were give more cultural space to roam.

The gay marriage issue is passing from the group of opinions for which there can be respectful disagreement into the realm that opposition can't be voiced in polite and even impolite (i.e., this pace) society anymore. It's fascinating to witness.

I'll pile on mocking of someone doing a hunger strike pretty much no matter the cause. Especially if they're taking a multivitamin.