Same-sex marriage coming to Utah

[TripletDaddy]

Utah was one of the first states/territories to give women the right to vote; it was the state that ended prohibition; and now looks to lead the way on constitutionally recognized gay marriage. Utah is much more progressive than its given credit.

it is interesting that you bring up prohibition and gay marriage in a similarly false light. Utah didn't end prohibition. It was the last state to vote against prohibition before resulting in the majority required to repeal it. As with gay marriage, many other states were well ahead of the times and ahead of Utah with regard to Prohibition and with regard to gay marriage.

Utah should simply be proud that it isn't the last state to recognize gay marriage.

[San Juan Sun]

This thread is great. It's fun to watch UVACoug spiking the football before he's in the end zone, and to watch SU calling swish on pretty much anything.

[Nakoma]

it is interesting that you bring up prohibition and gay marriage in a similarly false light. Utah didn't end prohibition. It was the last state to vote against prohibition before resulting in the majority required to repeal it. As with gay marriage, many other states were well ahead of the times and ahead of Utah with regard to Prohibition and with regard to gay marriage.

Utah should simply be proud that it isn't the last state to recognize gay marriage.

Most reasonable folks wouldn't consider an eight month difference from the first state vote to the last state vote for ratification of the 21st Amendment to be significant. Surely, not enough time difference to claim the other states were "well ahead of the times and ahead of Utah with regard to Prohibition." A majority of Church members in 1933 disregarded a direct appeal from President Grant not to vote in favor of the 21st Amendment, instead casting the decisive vote ratifying it, thereby ending Prohibition. Sounds progressive to me.

Much to the chagrin of Utah's political and religious leaders, Utah will (reluctantly) lead the way for the Supreme Court to render an historic decision recognizing gay marriage as protected by the Constitution.

[Solon]

it is interesting that you bring up prohibition and gay marriage in a similarly false light. Utah didn't end prohibition. It was the last state to vote against prohibition before resulting in the majority required to repeal it. As with gay marriage, many other states were well ahead of the times and ahead of Utah with regard to Prohibition and with regard to gay marriage.

Utah should simply be proud that it isn't the last state to recognize gay marriage.

What's interesting, though, about Utah's role in ending Prohibition is that the vote was heavily in favor of repealing the amendment (about 102,000 to 66,000) despite the pointed & deliberate urgings of LDS leadership to oppose repeal.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...rontpage&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...rontpage&hl=en

Today's LDS Utahns seem a little more willing to follow authority's decree.


Edit: here's another one, from April 1933: http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...rontpage&hl=en

[Jeff Lebowski]

Most reasonable folks wouldn't consider an eight month difference from the first state vote to the last state vote for ratification of the 21st Amendment to be significant. Surely, not enough time difference to claim the other states were "well ahead of the times and ahead of Utah with regard to Prohibition." A majority of Church members in 1933 disregarded a direct appeal from President Grant not to vote in favor of the 21st Amendment, instead casting the decisive vote ratifying it, thereby ending Prohibition. Sounds progressive to me.

Much to the chagrin of Utah's political and religious leaders, Utah will (reluctantly) lead the way for the Supreme Court to render an historic decision recognizing gay marriage as protected by the Constitution.

What's interesting, though, about Utah's role in ending Prohibition is that the vote was heavily in favor of repealing the amendment (about 102,000 to 66,000) despite the pointed & deliberate urgings of LDS leadership to oppose repeal.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...rontpage&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...rontpage&hl=en

Today's LDS Utahns seem a little more willing to follow authority's decree.


Edit: here's another one, from April 1933: http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...rontpage&hl=en

And President Grant extracted his revenge by changing the WoW from a friendly suggestion to a commandment and he added it to the temple recommend worthiness questions.

[creekster]

And President Grant extracted his revenge by changing the WoW from a friendly suggestion to a commandment and he added it to the temple recommend worthiness questions.

I thought it was his buddy's car accident or something like that?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Funny how Utah folks are enthusiastic supporters of the judiciary this week.

[All-American]

Funny how Utah folks are enthusiastic supporters of the judiciary this week.

I'm sure they'll come around.

[FMCoug]

I'm sure they'll come around.

As soon as some more activist judges leave their mark they'll be right back to states' rights and secession!

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[byu71]

Funny how Utah folks are enthusiastic supporters of the judiciary this week.

I don't know. Does the Judiciary stand for the system or does it mean more than one Judge, as in plural.

Maybe a lot of people are naive like me on that and they support the Judiciary because they think it involves more than one Judge who thinks he alone can make decisions for a whole State.

One person who probably cheats at golf with that much power. Just doesn't feel right.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I don't know. Does the Judiciary stand for the system or does it mean more than one Judge, as in plural.

Maybe a lot of people are naive like me on that and they support the Judiciary because they think it involves more than one Judge who thinks he alone can make decisions for a whole State.

One person who probably cheats at golf with that much power. Just doesn't feel right.

Yes, there are a lot of nuts like you.

[byu71]

Thank God there are a lot of us nuts. If we weren't around who would the intellectually elite have to chastise, correct and make fun of. MSNBC would not only have bad ratings, they wouldn't have any ratings at all.

[Non Sequitur]

As soon as some more activist judges leave their mark they'll be right back to states' rights and secession!

I'm a big proponent of secession. There are lots of states that aren't pulling their weight.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I think I just saw him at In & Out with a Double Double in his hands.

First, there probably was some in n out involved. Second, there very well could have been a double something. Third, you lie because you didn't see him unless you happened upon him at that infamous American Fork rest stop, which I doubt. So you're two for three.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I'm a big proponent of secession. There are lots of states that aren't pulling their weight.

I guess you're ripping on the states that have the high black populations and are the poorest states in the country? You want to cut them off? If you set aside Maryland and Virginia whose income figures are massively inflated due to their location next to DC, seven of the eight states with the highest black population are all within ten of the poorest states in the country. Guys like you get their shits and giggles asking these states with the high black populations to secede. Speaks volumes.