The Police Brutality Thread

[smokymountainrain]

Would that increased funding and pay for cops would solve the systemic generational problems of the institution. That would be an easy sell for most people if it were true.

i don't know that it would "solve" it, but it doesn't take a genius to understand that higher salary results in hiring better people and more training means better, more prepared and even-handed officers. i would absolutely make things better.

[Flystripper]

*In Patrick Star’s voice*

Hey, it works FS!

like a charm

[Uncle Ted]

Yes because that is all admissible evidence. Try again, try hard.

Jurors don't give a f*ck about admissible evidence and what a judge says they can think or not think about. They just nod and say, "Ok, your honor... when the fuck is lunch?"

[Commando]

Jurors don't give a f*ck about admissible evidence and what a judge says they can think or not think about. They just nod and say, "Ok, your honor... when the fuck is lunch?"

So basically you don't have the faintest idea how the justice system works. Well, duh- we knew that. You can stop making us all cringe any time now.

[Northwestcoug]

Jurors don't give a f*ck about admissible evidence and what a judge says they can think or not think about. They just nod and say, "Ok, your honor... when the fuck is lunch?"

You missed censoring one of your swears

[Moliere]

Yeah that poor kid was forced to gear up and cross a state line to insert himself into a conflict just to defend himself! Great take.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but the whole “crossing the state line” thing is dumb. He lived 20 miles from the shooting. That’s less than my one way commute to work. Looks like Kenosha may even be a typical city to go shopping for people from Antioch.


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[Commando]

I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but the whole “crossing the state line” thing is dumb. He lived 20 miles from the shooting. That’s less than my one way commute to work. Looks like Kenosha may even be a typical city to go shopping for people from Antioch.


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Isn't that a distinction without a difference? Loaded up his guns, got in his car and drove a 1/2 hour to insert himself into a conflict. Does that paint him in a better light?

[Bo Diddley]

Quoting your old post Bo to add my two cents on the bolded portion. An added layer, and perhaps a thicker layer, to this issue is that police unions are so strong that it is virtually impossible to fire officers, even when their actions would result in firing for any normal person. Every single step in discipline is grieved, even the most minor and warranted, so that disciplining and training officers is incredibly costly and often counterproductive.

Agreed. And.

Ever hear of the Brotherhood in Blue? Or the Blue Code? The Blue Shield? I'm telling you it's absolutely real, and a part of the culture that needs to change.

[Moliere]

Isn't that a distinction without a difference? Loaded up his guns, got in his car and drove a 1/2 hour to insert himself into a conflict. Does that paint him in a better light?

I guess I think it waters down your argument to overstate a fact when making a point. You make it sound like a road trip for justice when it’s probably a place he knows well and visits often, pretty much his own backyard.

And isn’t it clear what America will look like if we defund the police? The streets will en patrolled by gun wielding anarchists that feel they are supporting liberty on their own terms.


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[Uncle Ted]

So basically you don't have the faintest idea how the justice system works. Well, duh- we knew that. You can stop making us all cringe any time now.

No... but I have been on a jury five times now and hear a lot of sh*t what my fellow jurists said behind the judges' backs. Most can care less what the judge tells them especially about not watching youtube or searching social media concerning their case while they are waiting for the lawyers to get their sh*t together. I even have started collecting the checks they send me:

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How many times have you personally sat in a jury rather than in front of them?

[Jeff Lebowski]

The problem with these discussions is that everyone wants to paint the individuals involved as black and white caricatures. All good or all bad.

Ahem....

People are often compelled by their political bias to justify the most disgusting crimes- even double murders. I gotta say- kind of makes you look like a piece of shit when you do that.

That kid was an idiot to bring a weapon like that to a protest. And those guys were idiots to attack him like that - did they really thing a guy with a gun would sit back and take a beating? I am surprised these things don't happen more often. I wish we could ban weapons in circumstances like this somehow.

[Uncle Ted]

You missed censoring one of your swears

It was a quotation.

[beefytee]

Jurors don't give a f*ck about admissible evidence and what a judge says they can think or not think about. They just nod and say, "Ok, your honor... when the fuck is lunch?"

So basically you don't have the faintest idea how the justice system works. Well, duh- we knew that. You can stop making us all cringe any time now.

Seems to me he does understand how the justice system works for whites!

[swampfrog]

Also from The New York Times. Paywalled, so quoting much of it. More even-handed reporting. Allowing both the "This is Trump's America" and the "This is Democrat Cities" narratives some space--this article being of the latter.

How Chaos in Kenosha Is Already Swaying Some Voters in Wisconsin

In Kenosha County, where the president won by fewer than 250 votes in 2016, those who already supported Mr. Trump said in interviews that the events of the past few days have simply reinforced their conviction that he is the man for the job. But some voters who were less sure of their choice said the chaos in their city and the inability of elected leaders to stop it were currently nudging them toward the Republicans.

And some Democrats, nervous about condemning the looting because they said they understood the rage behind it, worried that what was happening in their town might backfire and aid the president’s re-election prospects.

Mr. Geraghty said he disliked how Mr. Trump talked but said the Democratic Party’s vision for governing seemed limited to attacking him and calling him a racist, a charge being leveled so constantly that it was having the effect of alienating, instead of persuading, people. And the idea that Democrats alone were morally pure on race annoyed him.

“The Democratic agenda to me right now is America is systematically racist and evil and the only people who can fix it are Democrats,” he said. “That’s the vibe I get.”

Mr. Geraghty said he understood peaceful protesting but felt frustrated with Democratic leaders who seem afraid of confronting crowds when things turn violent. He was angry at the statement by Gov. Tony Evers on Sunday, which in his view took sides against the police in a knee-jerk way that worsened the situation. On Tuesday, Mr. Evers, a Democrat, did condemn the looting and fires, while reiterating protesters’ rights to assemble.

“I’m not 100 percent sure of anything yet,” Mr. Geraghty said of November. “But as of now I’m really not happy about how Democrats are handling any of this.”

“Whether it’s fair or not, they see this all as one monolith: From Biden on down to the guy throwing the brick at the cop,” said Mr. Wigderson, who has been critical of Mr. Trump. “As a result, they are more motivated not to let those people win.”

That was all the more true for committed Republicans in Kenosha. Don Biehn, 62, owner of a flooring company, was standing in line at a gun store on Tuesday afternoon. He said that he had never bought a pistol before, but that he had a business to protect. A former county board supervisor, Mr. Biehn said he had been calling county and state officials for days, trying to explain how grave the situation was.

Scott Haight, who was boarding up a line of businesses in a Kenosha strip mall on Tuesday, said he blamed Lt. Gov. Mandela Barnes, a Democrat, for what he said was irresponsibly stirring up emotion. (On Monday, Mr. Barnes said the shooting “wasn’t an accident.”)

“It’s like ‘What, are you trying to burn our city down?’” Mr. Haight said.

Mr. Haight, 59, said he was a “lifelong Democrat” but had decided not to vote this year.

“It’s not worth it,” he said. “One’s as bad as the other.”

Priscella Gazda, a waitress at a pizza restaurant in Kenosha, was having the opposite reaction. She said she had voted only once in her life — for Mr. Obama in 2008. Her son has Type 1 diabetes and was hoping for health insurance.“I’m not the one who would ever vote,” she said.

But after the chaos in her town, this year is different.

“I am going to vote for Trump,” she said. “He seems to be more about the American people and what we need.”

[Uncle Ted]

Ahem....



That kid was an idiot to bring a weapon like that to a protest. And those guys were idiots to attack him like that - did they really thing a guy with a gun would sit back and take a beating? I am surprised these things don't happen more often. I wish we could ban weapons in circumstances like this somehow.

That kid wasn't the only one that brought a weapon to a protest... The guy that got shot in the arm had a Glock and he apparently has a felony.

Maybe they need to sent up checkpoints and metal detectors at these so called "peaceful protests".