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  • wonder if this means he loses his pension. i hope so. good on the slcpd
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    • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
      wonder if this means he loses his pension. i hope so. good on the slcpd
      Maybe this depends on how much the SLCPD has to settle with the hospital for.

      The interesting thing is Payne was acting under an order from his boss...

      In a police report, Payne said that when he arrived at the hospital, Wubbels said he needed to get permission from the hospital administrators.


      After more than an hour of waiting, Payne said, he called his supervisor, who advised him to arrest Wubbels if she refused to let him draw a blood sample.
      The problem with Payne was he wasn't very professional about it. Maybe he had a bad day.
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      • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
        Maybe this depends on how much the SLCPD has to settle with the hospital for.

        The interesting thing is Payne was acting under an order from his boss...



        The problem with Payne was he wasn't very professional about it. Maybe he had a bad day.
        [QUOTE=Uncle Ted;1337144]Maybe this depends on how much the SLCPD has to settle with the hospital for.

        The interesting thing is Payne was acting under an order from his boss...

        One of the councelers in my bishopric knows him and has worked with him. Said he was a good cop having a very, very bad day. He also said that there was no way he would keep his job.

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        • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
          wonder if this means he loses his pension. i hope so. good on the slcpd
          Come on.
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          • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
            Come on.
            it's not atypical for termination for cause to include some forfeiture of or reduction in retirement benefits.
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            • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
              it's not atypical for termination for cause to include some forfeiture of or reduction in retirement benefits.
              That doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do.
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              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                That doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do.
                i don't know. think it might be bro. the bar for termination with cause is very high.
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                • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                  i don't know. think it might be bro. the bar for termination with cause is very high.
                  He can always fall back on his job working as a paramedic.

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                  • Originally posted by CardiacCoug View Post
                    He can always fall back on his job working as a paramedic.
                    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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                    • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                      it's not atypical for termination for cause to include some forfeiture of or reduction in retirement benefits.
                      At the governmental level? At the corporate level maybe, but it seems it's much more rare for it to occur at the governmental level.
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                      • Originally posted by Topper View Post
                        At the governmental level? At the corporate level maybe, but it seems it's much more rare for it to occur at the governmental level.
                        no idea as a practical matter, but as a normative one i think the answer is still yes
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                        • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                          i don't know. think it might be bro. the bar for termination with cause is very high.
                          You honestly think the guy should lose his retirement because of one dumb decision? He has already been fired and publicly shamed. Isn't that enough?
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                          • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                            no idea as a practical matter, but as a normative one i think the answer is still yes
                            For something as awful as what he did, I can see your point. It probably wouldn't happen as there are so many protections in place for bad, governmental employees.
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                            • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                              You honestly think the guy should lose his retirement because of one dumb decision? He has already been fired and publicly shamed. Isn't that enough?
                              yes. do you think there is there ever a circumstance where it should happen?
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                              • Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                                yes. do you think there is there ever a circumstance where it should happen?
                                Short of some kind of civil or criminal judgement, no I don't. Hell no. Someone works for years and earns a pension, that should not be taken away.

                                For starters, it creates a huge conflict of interest for the employer. Pension fund in trouble? No worries, let's just fire a few people.
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