A Funny Thing Happened on the Way To Jerusalem: Gaza/Israel conflict

[Clark Addison]

I don't see anything in the statement from Harvard students that expresses support or sympathy for what Hamas did. It's possible to simultaneous believe that what Hamas did was horrific and also believe that Israel has a history of being heavy-handed and is not guiltless when it comes to mistreatment of those in Gaza.

When they say "We hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence", they are at the very least excusing, and basically supporting Hamas' actions.

In addition, let's make a parallel to what happened here in the summer of 2020 after George Floyd. A lot of the "All Lives Matter" crowd were rightly dunked on because, yes, of course all lives matter, but when you insist on saying "All lives matter!!"in the middle of a conversation about police violence and the devaluation of Black lives, you are basically ignoring and belittling the main issue.

Likewise, if someone chooses the moment after a horrific terrorist attack to blame Israel for everything, they are de facto supporting that attack

[myboynoah]

When they say "We hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence", they are at the very least excusing, and basically supporting Hamas' actions.

In addition, let's make a parallel to what happened here in the summer of 2020 after George Floyd. A lot of the "All Lives Matter" crowd were rightly dunked on because, yes, of course all lives matter, but when you insist on saying "All lives matter!!"in the middle of a conversation about police violence and the devaluation of Black lives, you are basically ignoring and belittling the main issue.

Likewise, if someone chooses the moment after a horrific terrorist attack to blame Israel for everything, they are de facto supporting that attack

What he said. Pure idiocy.

And I see that the Utah socialists or whoever tweeted that Support Palestine dance party tweet have now pulled it down.

[Non Sequitur]

When they say "We hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence", they are at the very least excusing, and basically supporting Hamas' actions.

In addition, let's make a parallel to what happened here in the summer of 2020 after George Floyd. A lot of the "All Lives Matter" crowd were rightly dunked on because, yes, of course all lives matter, but when you insist on saying "All lives matter!!"in the middle of a conversation about police violence and the devaluation of Black lives, you are basically ignoring and belittling the main issue.

Likewise, if someone chooses the moment after a horrific terrorist attack to blame Israel for everything, they are de facto supporting that attack

I didn't read that in the screen shot, and I was referring to what I read. I would never suggest that Israel was entirely responsible for all unfolding violence, but I would say that the violence didn't happen in a vacuum and that Israel does not have an unblemished history of being a fair overseer of the territory.

[old_gregg]

I didn't read that in the screen shot, and I was referring to what I read. I would never suggest that Israel was entirely responsible for all unfolding violence, but I would say that the violence didn't happen in a vacuum and that Israel does not have an unblemished history of being a fair overseer of the territory.

that’s literally the first line of the thing

[Non Sequitur]

that’s literally the first line of the thing

Then you're looking at a different screen shot than I:

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[Clark Addison]

I didn't read that in the screen shot, and I was referring to what I read. I would never suggest that Israel was entirely responsible for all unfolding violence, but I would say that the violence didn't happen in a vacuum and that Israel does not have an unblemished history of being a fair overseer of the territory.

Ah, I see. The first part of the statement is hidden in the tweet quote:

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[Moliere]

It’s crazy how many liberals/socialists are avoiding condemning the terroirs attacks on civilians. Instead they seem to have a narrative that “Gaza was an open air prison” as if that justifies killing, raping and parading the dead bodies of civilians. Israel is no sant but they don’t deserve what is happening and they have a right to ensure it never happens again.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Ah, I see. The first part of the statement is hidden in the tweet quote:

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Good grief, it says the same thing at the beginning the the third paragraph.

[myboynoah]

Let's not forget that Hamas has no desire for peaceful coexistence with Israel. Its goal is the total destruction of Israel and to drive the Jews into the sea. Stupid and idiotic, but this is where they are, and have propagated that ideology throughout Gaza and the West Bank (and some of the Palestinian diaspora around the world). With that being the ideology of one's enemy, how is Israel supposed to react to Gaza, where Hamas rules? One cannot negotiate with that, one cannot compromise with that. one needs to build up a defense against that and cripple the ability of the perpetrators of that ideology to actualize that belief.

So the argument that Israel brought this upon itself is invalid, especially when it comes to Gaza. The West Bank is different, as the Pal Authority would happily take a fair two-state solution.

Hamas needs to be destroyed. Enough already.

[Maximus]

Ha. Relatively subdued = occasionally randomly lobbing thousands of rockets into civilian areas. But I guess that's not too bad because Israel has the technology to shoot them down...mostly. Even if Hamas had been actually "subdued", this weekend shows the problem of allowing an organization with a genocidal charter to exist. Eventually they are going to do try what they have always told us they believe.

Edit: meant to quote Maximus.

I get it, but they did seem to be on the side of keep things calm, havent gone suicide bomb route, etc.

Usually their actions have been self serving . This is different

how do you destroy them ? We couldnt kill the taliban. Seems similar

[Goatnapper'96]

I get it, but they did seem to be on the side of keep things calm, havent gone suicide bomb route, etc.

Usually their actions have been self serving . This is different

how do you destroy them ? We couldnt kill the taliban. Seems similar

You can't destroy the ideology, but stopping it within your territory is something Israel can do.

Very different to the US foray in Afghanistan-this movement was organized within territory Israel controlled before and will control once again.

[Maximus]

they left the first time since they couldnt really control it, not sure how they will this time tbh

[Goatnapper'96]

they left the first time since they couldnt really control it, not sure how they will this time tbh

My instinct is how they control it is likely to be a very sore point to many folks as time goes on.

[Jeff Lebowski]

NYU law student learns a hard but valuable lesson.

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[Omaha 680]

NYU law student learns a hard but valuable lesson.

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The more that details of the civilian massacre come out, the stupider people who are engaging in whataboutism and claiming a "cycle of violence" led to this will look. Like I said above the masks are all off, including from people like that NYU student.