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  • #1726
    Originally posted by beefytee View Post
    It seems some want to dismiss Trumps victory last night as not meaningful because Rick Santorum and Ted Cruz won the last meaningful Iowa caucuses and didn't sniff winning the nomination.

    The problem with that is Cruz won it with 26.67% of the vote and Rick Santorum barely edged out Romney with 24.56%. In fact, on caucus night, it was widely accepted that Mitt won.

    So, with 51% of the vote in the first contest, it is pretty hard to dismiss the chasm between Trump and his challengers.

    Something will need to happen, and votes will need to dramatically swing for anyone else to have any kind of shot to win. At this point, I don't know what would cause Trump voters to change their mind. Trump wasn't that far off when he said he could shoot someone on Fifth avenue and wouldn't lose any votes.
    It seems highly unlikely Trump doesn't get the nomination. But on the other hand, a former president who everyone is scared of in his own party should have done better than 51% among the 15% of the electorate hard cores in IA who showed up. Objecively it's really not a strong showing considering who he is and the iron grip he holds on the party.


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    • #1727
      Originally posted by BlueK View Post

      It seems highly unlikely Trump doesn't get the nomination. But on the other hand, a former president who everyone is scared of in his own party should have done better than 51% among the 19% of the electorate hard cores in IA who showed up. Objecively it's really not a strong showing considering who he is and the iron grip he holds on the party.


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      Think about it this way:

      Almost 54,000 of the Iowa party's most faithful braved windchills as low as -40 degrees in order to throw their vote against Donald Trump into a paper sack from HyVee (or sometimes, a Home Depot bucket). Am I foolish enough to imagine that all of those same 54,000 prefer Anyone But Trump Up to and Including Joe Biden? No. But some will. And if that's true for the most die-hard folks in Iowa, how true is it for the less than die-hard?

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      • #1728
        Pathetic. Embarrassing.

        "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
        "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
        - SeattleUte

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        • #1729
          Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
          Pathetic. Embarrassing.

          Haha. Same exact thing, right Marco?
          Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

          Dig your own grave, and save!

          "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

          "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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          • #1730
            'State run media.' lol Yeah nobody's trying to watch that. If there was significant interest, it would get picked up.
            "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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            • #1731
              Loving DGAF Romney:

              "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
              "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
              - SeattleUte

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              • #1732
                Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
                Loving DGAF Romney:

                Same!

                I can't wait for him to become a GA.
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                • #1733
                  Originally posted by YOhio View Post

                  Same!

                  I can't wait for him to become a GA.
                  He'd have to go straight to apostle, because he's already past emeritus age for 70.
                  “Every player dreams of being a Yankee, and if they don’t it’s because they never got the chance.” Aroldis Chapman
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                  • #1734
                    Originally posted by Copelius View Post

                    He'd have to go straight to apostle, because he's already past emeritus age for 70.
                    Can you imagine the heads that would explode if that happened?

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                    • #1735
                      Originally posted by Bo Diddley View Post

                      Can you imagine the heads that would explode if that happened?
                      When Wayne Owens (great guy) lost to Jake Garn and was then called to serve as mission president, a lot of people were confounded that such a prominent Democrat could be found worthy.

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                      • #1736
                        Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post

                        When Wayne Owens (great guy) lost to Jake Garn and was then called to serve as mission president, a lot of people were confounded that such a prominent Democrat could be found worthy.
                        A peculiar people.

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                        • #1737
                          Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post

                          When Wayne Owens (great guy) lost to Jake Garn and was then called to serve as mission president, a lot of people were confounded that such a prominent Democrat could be found worthy.
                          Because he lost. Winning proves worthiness.
                          "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
                          - Goatnapper'96

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                          • #1738
                            Originally posted by YOhio View Post

                            Same!

                            I can't wait for him to become a GA.
                            Time to run 3rd party with Haley

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                            • #1739
                              Stating the obvious, but this primary is over. Haley has an outside shot at NH, but it won't matter. She doesn't have a prayer anywhere else. Trump is basically running as an incumbent, with all of the power and momentum that comes with that. Hell, most of his dumb MAGA base thinks he actually won the last election. Haley and DeSantis never had the guts to go after trump and thus never provided the base with any reason to go with them over trump. Not sure it would have worked either way. Sadly, I suspect the series of lawsuits and indictments were a godsend to trump because it allowed him to fan the flames of grievance, which is very powerful.

                              I think Biden will win, but I wish he (and Harris) would've had the guts to bow out and let someone younger and more dynamic make a run.
                              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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                              • #1740
                                I'd like to have 'cross the line' or 'bad apple' defenses for my future criming.

                                "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                                "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                                - SeattleUte

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