Elderbednarophobia

[Jacob]

What a terrible quote. Which should lead us all to the simple conclusion that he never said it. Awaiting further light and knowledge from Sooner before I believe.

[YOhio]

What a terrible quote. Which should lead us all to the simple conclusion that he never said it. Awaiting further light and knowledge from Sooner before I believe.

Be patient. He's waiting on someone from Reddit to get him the full quote.

[TripletDaddy]

It's from a talk given at BYU-Idaho. I'm working on getting the full text for more context.

These are definitely his words though.

Im not doubting that those are his words. Im wondering whether they are out of context or even incomplete.

Have you tried tweeting The Bed directly? From what I understand, these guys are all on social media now. You could probably get a faster response that way.

[frank ryan]

Then he should have said it that way.

We are talking about a man who revoked an apostolic blessing over talking in the chapel. This man is either unwell or a very poor communicator.

He was a consultant for Wal-Mart, so he has that going against him.

[The Fourth Nephite]

OK, this has gone round and round in circles and I think it's time an impartial observer with impeccable integrity, spirit, intelligence and honesty settles this once and for all.

Sooner is right. Most of the rest of you are wrong.

[SoonerCoug]

OK, this has gone round and round in circles and I think it's time an impartial observer with impeccable integrity, spirit, intelligence and honesty settles this once and for all.

Sooner is right. Most of the rest of you are wrong.

Source:
Ricks College Business Division Executive Seminar
President David A. Bednar
September 7, 2000

He obviously was just speaking as a GA but not as an apostle so I can only assume he now believes that books are useful.

[creekster]

You have got to be F-ing kidding me. You have almost 29,000 posts and are telling me to get a life? Remind me what you do in your life that gives you time for 29,000 posts.

Plus, considering that his posts are about a variety of subjects whereas the vast majority of yours are pretty much the same thing over and over, it makes the disparity even more pronounced.

[The Fourth Nephite]

Source:
Ricks College Business Division Executive Seminar
President David A. Bednar
September 7, 2000

He obviously was just speaking as a GA but not as an apostle so I can only assume he now believes that books are useful.

But only the type of books you can buy at Deseret Book.

[SoonerCoug]

Plus, considering that his posts are about a variety of subjects whereas the vast majority of yours are pretty much the same thing over and over, it makes the disparity even more pronounced.

I'm trying to identify your best recent contribution to the forum and what I found is that you think life is sort of random and that maybe everything doesn't happen "for a reason."

I totally agree with you. Things do not happen for a reason, if by "for a reason" you mean supernatural reason.

So my question to you is this: do you believe in a God that intervenes in our lives? If you do, then things really must happen "for a reason."

I guess I'm wondering how you reconcile your correct assessment about supernatural involvement with a belief in the divine. Are you a deist?

[TripletDaddy]

I'm trying to identify your best recent contribution to the forum and all I can find is that you think life is sort of random and that maybe everything doesn't happen "for a reason."

Have you checked out any of the myriad Tour de France threads? There has been some good stuff in there.

[eldiente]

Sooner = a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

Aka "Bigot" per Meriam-Webster

[SoonerCoug]

Sooner = a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

Aka "Bigot" per Meriam-Webster

I'm devoted to rational thought and evidence.

You are devoted to a religion that has actively campaigned against and used tithes to oppose civil rights for blacks, equal rights for women, and civil rights for gays.

Furthermore, Mormonism was a major last bastion of institutionalized racism in America, denying blacks full participation in the Church until 1978.

Now tell us this: What do you think of the Church's behavior on each of these issues?

I want to know your opinion since you are calling me a bigot. There is such irony in your post.

I embrace the fact that a person can be a Mormon and not a bigot even though their tithes have supported at least two or possibly all three of these causes (depending on the age of the individual).

I am ashamed that my tithing could have been spent on the prop 8 campaign.

Never have I claimed that all Mormons are bad or bigoted despite the fact that their tithing has been knowingly spent on blatantly bigoted causes.

However, it seems to me that for a Mormon to rightfully call another person a bigot, there must first be some serious introspection.

[PaloAltoCougar]

... You are devoted to a religion that has actively campaigned against and used tithes to oppose civil rights for blacks, equal rights for women, and civil rights for gays.

I am too, but my devotion is in spite of those elements, not because of them. Of course, you could replace the word “religion” with “nation”, and “tithes” with “taxes”, and you and I would be in the same boat. Yeah, I get that a religion that claims to have a direct line to the Almighty should be more attentive to such matters than a nation, but the Church, like our nation, is evolving. An African-American acquaintance (married to a former colleague), and former bishop, is able to look past the Church’s pre-1978 history and has found great community, spiritual support and an eternal perspective that he hadn’t had. The Church has made him a better person, as it has me. I concede it may not do that for everyone.

[SoonerCoug]

PAC, I completely understand and agree with everything you said. My parents and siblings hold their noses while paying their tithes. They are not bigots and want the church to evolve faster, as I do. They are basically all agnostics but value the church and view many of its ideals as noble.

I just find it distasteful for someone to call me a bigot because I have been critical of a religion that uses tithes to deny civil rights to gays and promote sexism.

I can't count the number of times I have heard bigotry spewed from Mormon pulpits and classrooms.

I'm very curious to hear Eldiente's opinion on each of these church policies and where he stands on the specific issues, since he has been so bold as to label me a bigot.

[CardiacCoug]

Yeah the Church is imperfect. I mean goodness the emphasis on the BOM which is obviously not authentic is very unfortunate. But the Church works for a lot of people (obviously not for everyone) to make them happier, healthier, etc. But the Church is more than just it's prior (and current) incorrect policies/doctrines/practices. Here's how my Prophet Sterling McMurrin put it:

O: Are you saying that the story of Moroni bringing the Book of Mormon to Joseph is a fabrication?
M: I won't comment here on Joseph Smith and his claims because he was a remarkably complicated person, and we don't know enough about him to competently judge- his motives and mentality. My point is that I came to the conclusion at a very early age, earlier than I can remember, that you don't get books from angels and translate them by miracles; it is just that simple. So I simply don't believe the Book of Mormon to be authentic. I think that all of the hassling over the authenticity of the Book of Mormon is just a waste of time. You should understand that I don't mean to say that there aren't some interesting and worthwhile things in the Book of Mormon. I really don't even mean to attack the Book of Mormon but rather to simply deny its authenticity. I don't believe that it is what the Church teaches it to be. I know of no real evidence in its support, and there is a great deal of evidence against it. As you no doubt know, B. H. Roberts set forth some of that evidence in an unpub- lished book-length study of the Book of Mormon.

O: Doesn't that mean then that in your opinion the Church is merely a facade?
M: Of course not. I think it is unfortunate that a church should ground itself so thoroughly on something that is, in my opinion, not genuine and obvi- ously is seriously doubted by thousands of persons who are in the Church and love the Church. But the Church is not a book, nor is it a collection of books— the standard works. Nor is it simply an ecclesiastical organization. The Church is the people who constitute it and their relationships to one another, their hopes and aspirations, their mutual love, their joys and tragedies. Whatever one might say about the Church's scriptures, its ecclesiastical organization, or its theological or historical claims, the Church is certainly not a facade. It is a living, moving, religious community and should not be judged on any other terms than its character and quality — its capacity to bring satisfaction and happiness to the people, to give them the strength and courage to live through the dangers and tragedies of life.

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