Elderbednarophobia

[The_Tick]

Are children free?

Is it ethical to compel children to join and attend any religious group that indoctrinates them from a young age and compels them to be baptized as a child or even at age 8, given the lifelong consequences of it all?

Why not wait until they are adults to ask if they want to be baptized.

No shit. I am pulling my kid from school. We never even asked if she was interested.

What a shitty parent I am.

[SoonerCoug]

No shit. I am pulling my kid from school. We never even asked if she was interested.

What a shitty parent I am.

In school, children should be learning facts and also how to think critically.

In church, children learn nonfacts as facts and are told not to question what they are taught. They also learn good principles and some bad ones too.

Your statement only applies if you assign equal or superior value to religious education.

[YOhio]

You imbibe now?? Shameful.

For the record, I drink tea and that's it. I even wear my garments. I kid you not. I will provide photos as proof to anyone interested, since I know my integrity is often called into question.

Please. I think we'd all like to see a photo or two of you in your garments. That would be very helpful to the discussion so thank you.

[SoonerCoug]

Please. I think we'd all like to see a photo or two of you in your garments. That would be very helpful to the discussion so thank you.

K. What's your phone number? I'll text it to you.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

K. What's your phone number? I'll text it to you.

We've agreed in the past as a community that sharing content from private discussions is against board rules of decorum. I wouldn't want to support a person that encourages one to engage in acts that might lead to breaking community standards. Even if it meant seeing your large integrity.

[Jeff Lebowski]

To be fair, I'm sure 20,000 of MarkGraces posts are in the "What I'm listening to now" thread.

Gracie, I love you as much as anyone but this really made me laugh.

[Bo Diddley]

You're right. Bednar was just being a dufus. Not the end of the world.

You're interrupting a good discussion on whether it is ethical to automatically label children by the faith of their parents.

You still don't even know for sure what he said, or what the context was, but you're calling him a dufus.

[SoonerCoug]

You still don't even know for sure what he said, or what the context was, but you're calling him a dufus.

I'm making a video of his talk to be posted here.

The man made an entire slide about Christ removing the slums from people so that they could remove themselves from the slums. That in and of itself is justification for calling him a dufus. It is a false and unchristian statement.

[Pheidippides]

You imbibe now?? Shameful.

For the record, I drink tea and that's it. I even wear my garments. I kid you not. I will provide photos as proof to anyone interested, since I know my integrity is often called into question.

You should try it. Makes you so much more relaxed about these things.

[Art Vandelay]

I didn't initially read this thread, because Sooner whining about a priesthood leader is so 2009.....and 2010, 2011, etc. But I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong; YOhio is pretty dang funny. He is owning this thread, like a pre-$6,000 smoker, TripletDaddy. I just hope this doesn't turn out to be another Brady Anderson hitting 50 dingers, PPD type spike from YO.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I would contend that major religions would cease to exist if children were not raised to believe in them, even though some children still grow up and leave their religion.

I agree. And this is a great argument to continue the indoctrination.

[ERCougar]

I think the taking the slums out of the man idea comes from an ETB talk.

[SoonerCoug]

I think the taking the slums out of the man idea comes from an ETB talk.

You're right. It was. Bednar obviously loved that talk.

In my experience, people who live in slums are probably more Christian than the wealthy people who think Christ will remove the slums from them.

[frank ryan]

I think the taking the slums out of the man idea comes from an ETB talk.

I can't stand that talk either. It is unhelpful.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Whatever happened to the "I like Mormonism the way I like chocolate ice cream" version of Sooner? That guy was pretty chill.