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[imanihonjin]

Um....no.

also, i probably should have said "really poorly run business" before. I've never been denied an audience with my ceo.

Suppose the hospital you worked at belonged to IHC. Would the CEO of IHC meet with you? Doubt it.

[Pheidippides]

so a ceo should meet with anyone in a 15 million person company anytime they want something changed?

Any good company I know has a mechanism for employees reporting/complaining to top leaders directly - anonymously if they choose. Usually a hotline staffed by a third party. And shareholders absolutely have mechanisms to go over ceo's heads directly to other shareholders via proxy filings or similar. not perfect, lots of problems, sure, but some mechanism is there.

[byu71]

I'm starting to wonder if centralization is the Church's biggest problem (aside from God).

They are trying to have it both ways. Salt Lake pushes for discipline of apostates while simultaneously claiming it's a local matter. If local churches were a little more variable in policy and doctrine, and if people could choose which LDS church to attend, you'd end up with more freedom although a different set of problems would arise. I must admit that Protestants have done something right in this regard.

Too bad you are so busy with your practice. Imagine if you had the time and desire Katy does the amount of havoc you could cause in the church. Of course your being a man might make it so people would pay less attention to you than her.

But talent wise, she isn't close to being in your league.

[Green Monstah]

This blogger has some great thoughts on this issue.

http://www.mormoniconoclast.com/pain/#comment-2918

[Mormon Red Death]

Suppose the hospital you worked at belonged to IHC. Would the CEO of IHC meet with you? Doubt it.

Wanna make a bet? Admittedly is different because he is a doctor but i can guarantee you a ceo of a hospital would meet with a doctor one time.

[byu71]

Any good company I know has a mechanism for employees reporting/complaining to top leaders directly - anonymously if they choose. Usually a hotline staffed by a third party. And shareholders absolutely have mechanisms to go over ceo's heads directly to other shareholders via proxy filings or similar. not perfect, lots of problems, sure, but some mechanism is there.

What do you think the outcome would be if Katy could go over their heads and appeal to the body of the church? Who would win a proxy fight?

[imanihonjin]

Wanna make a bet? Admittedly is different because he is a doctor but i can guarantee you a ceo of a hospital would meet with a doctor one time.

I am talking about the CEO of all of IHC not the hospital.

[Pheidippides]

What do you think the outcome would be if Katy could go over their heads and appeal to the body of the church? Who would win a proxy fight?

oh, she'd lose. my point, however, is that the corporate examples being trotted out are stupid strawmen.

[ERCougar]

Wanna make a bet? Admittedly is different because he is a doctor but i can guarantee you a ceo of a hospital would meet with a doctor one time.

If there were a group of nurses who were not content with some aspect of the system, he would meet with their head too. Even if they had gone public about their discontent. Maybe especially if they had gone public.
(You know this, of course--just pointing it out)

[ERCougar]

I am talking about the CEO of all of IHC not the hospital.

so are we.
(I work in an ihc hospital.)

[byu71]

oh, she'd lose. my point, however, is that the corporate examples being trotted out are stupid strawmen.

Aren't you an independent contractor? I have been in a corporate environment my entire working career. I have also belonged to several organizations. These are well run organizations. People who are seen to be trying to disrupt the organization are gotten rid of one way or another.

I guess I have always taken the position that if the organization is against a core principle I have and most people in the organization disagree with me, I find a more comfortable place for me. I don't feel the need to enforce my own personal view on others.

[Mormon Red Death]

I am talking about the CEO of all of IHC not the hospital.

So am I

[Pheidippides]

Aren't you an independent contractor? I have been in a corporate environment my entire working career. I have also belonged to several organizations. These are well run organizations. People who are seen to be trying to disrupt the organization are gotten rid of one way or another.

I guess I have always taken the position that if the organization is against a core principle I have and most people in the organization disagree with me, I find a more comfortable place for me. I don't feel the need to enforce my own personal view on others.

no, I'm in house, and have been for a few years. I've seen labor issues, shareholder issues, and other Issues. I've handled hotline calls. first, any call, no matter how silly we may think it is, is investigated thoroughly. second, any labor disturbance or shareholder issue of similar size (do we view Kate as a shareholder or an employee? I see both) would be discussed thoroughly at the CEO level. Third, I know for a fact that CEOs meet directly groups agitating for change all the time, and they try to work something out lest it become a huge PR or other issue. The real difference? 5 percent gives you real power in a publicly traded company. 5 percent of active members doesn't give you shit in the church.

[hostile]

Suppose the hospital you worked at belonged to IHC. Would the CEO of IHC meet with you? Doubt it.

I sat by him at church last week. He's a pretty nice guy. It it involved the national image of IHC I think he would make the time.

[imanihonjin]

so are we.
(I work in an ihc hospital.)

Perhaps you are right and the medical world is more accommodating in this regard, but it would be the exception rather than rule.