The June 1

[Topper]

Lebowski is way too smart to let the posse find him.

Much of the OW angst could have been avoided, IMO, if TSM had stoop up in April and said, "I prayed about it; it's not time."
Instead, it's become a game of shadowy inquisitors, competition for PR, and lots of posturing from both sides about sincerity.

This reminds me of those accounts in medieval history where the Cistercians are arguing with the Benedictines about the proper rules of monasticism.
In the midst of it all, both sides sort of lose touch with what the majority of the world really needs.
I'm checking out on this issue.

Did you tell Lebo to get back to work and follow the rules of St. Benedictine?

[SeattleUte]

WHERE IS LUCA BRASI?!! They don't have Internet at Lake Powell?

[TripletDaddy]

WHERE IS LUCA BRASI?!! They don't have Internet at Lake Powell?

Sleeping with the fishes.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Sleeping with the fishes.

I heard someone cut the head off of a seahorse and put it in his sleeping bag.

[Pheidippides]

So I've now read the letter sent to Dehlin. A magnificent piece of passive aggression, and skillfully done.

I've also read a letter sent to Kate Kelly talking about her being put on probation. Condescending and assholeish. If I met her SP I would punch him in the mouth on general principles.

[ERCougar]

So I've now read the letter sent to Dehlin. A magnificent piece of passive aggression, and skillfully done.

I've also read a letter sent to Kate Kelly talking about her being put on probation. Condescending and assholeish. If I met her SP I would punch him in the mouth on general principles.

Dehlin gave more background on his FB page. He did not request that his name be removed. He had been called by his bishop in February and informed that another investigation into his online activities was going to commence. This would be his third. His wife told him that she did not want to undergo yet another investigation. John went back and refused to the bishop, who then alluded to some BOM scripture about "wolves in the flock", which he found offensive. John then requested that they not try to contact him anymore through home teachers and the like, but did not indicate he was going to resign or that he wanted his name removed, and continued to attend church weekly.

[SoonerCoug]

I wonder if the Church has created a file on all 300 or so members of Ordain Women. Is there any way to find out if there is a file on me? I would not be surprised if they pursue some sort of action on all OW members. (Some have already had their recommends removed.)

Maybe they have a SoonerCoug file and a "real me" file that have yet to be merged.

[eldiente]

I wonder if the Church has created a file on all 300 or so members of Ordain Women. Is there any way to find out if there is a file on me? I would not be surprised if they pursue some sort of action on all OW members. (Some have already had their recommends removed.)

Maybe they have a SoonerCoug file and a "real me" file that have yet to be merged.

Too many bats in your belfry?

[Uncle Ted]

[Topper]

Excellent Ted.

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[Uncle Ted]

There is some good coming from all of this... It is bringing families back together:

Op-ed: Thanks to Kate Kelly’s bishop, I have my daughter back

I want to thank Bishop Harrison and other LDS Church leaders for standing tall. There was a time when I was worried about my daughter’s attitude toward the church. All through her teenage years, I nursed an anxiety about what her behavior would make of her. The church’s recent forceful action against Ordain Women has effected a tremendous change for the better in my daughter.


All teens rebel. The myriad forms of their rebellion tune themselves uniquely against their parents’ values, so that, no matter what an earnest, well-meaning parent might do, the teenage genius for contrariness will find a way to say no.

My daughter has been particularly obstinate. In my most desperate moment, in her most intractable year, I sat her down and told her, as plainly as I could, "Please, for the love of heaven, get drunk, smoke some weed, get arrested for public disorderliness. Do something. You’re too young to be so straitlaced."


She did not flinch. Looking back with those still, warm eyes, she only said to me, "Do be silent, Daddy. I’m going to be righteous, and you can’t stop me." It broke my heart. I lay awake, night after night, tortured that she would grow to be a stranger to her own father.


But, during the past year, the church’s persecution of Ordain Women has turned my disturbingly straight arrow into a right proper agitator. Gone are the days when she would ask to go to church while we were on vacation. Gone is the 16-year-old who would stay out until well after dark shuffling the sister missionaries from hither to yon in my car. Gone is the girl who overpaid her tithing, just in case.


In the past year, my daughter, who is now 20, has responded to the church’s maneuvers to shame and to silence Ordain Women with an indignation that would shock me if it didn’t delight me so much. The little girl who would blush at the hint of evil speaking has found an authentic voice that does not mask its consternation.


Now we enjoy loud laughter together. Now we listen to AC/DC in the house. Turned up to 11.

When she read Bishop Mark M. Harrison’s shamelessly imperious letter to Kate Kelly, and its bewildering threat to excommunicate Kelly across the vast geographic gulf between his ward in Virginia and hers in Utah, my once-never-contrary daughter posted the news to her local YSA Relief Society’s web page. I will tell you that this LDS father’s joy was full when she complained to me with jagged terms that the site’s moderator had removed her post.


My little girl has come back to me. And I have Bishop Mark M. Harrison and whichever other church authorities are behind the persecution of Ms. Kelly and OW to thank. Bless you, one and all. That might sound like sarcasm, and coming from me, I can appreciate that you might not be certain. But let me try to say it as sincerely as I can: bless you, for helping my daughter see divine light.
[...]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion...kelly.html.csp

LOL. Listening to AC/DC with it turned up to 11.




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[pellegrino]

Do you think the Church is (or ever has been) a democracy? Common consent is a pretty week argument for that position. I don't think I could belong to a Church that decides its doctrine on the basis of popular opinion. Maybe that is attractive to some, but it makes no sense to me. The whole point of the Church for me is to learn things I don't already know. I don't have the confidence in other members that you seem to let them decide what I believe.

Early on in church history, yes, common consent was a big deal. Unfortunately under Brigham Young it achieved its current performance status.

[Northwestcoug]

Looks like this is turning into the June 1. The facebooks tell me JD's SP has called off the court and now just wants to meet with him informally.

[woot]

Lebowski is way too smart to let the posse find him.

Much of the OW angst could have been avoided, IMO, if TSM had stoop up in April and said, "I prayed about it; it's not time."
Instead, it's become a game of shadowy inquisitors, competition for PR, and lots of posturing from both sides about sincerity.

This reminds me of those accounts in medieval history where the Cistercians are arguing with the Benedictines about the proper rules of monasticism.
In the midst of it all, both sides sort of lose touch with what the majority of the world really needs.
I'm checking out on this issue.

This seems a wise take. I don't know enough about the apostates in question to know whether they're bluffing about their sincerity or whether they're just trying to stay in the church for the purpose of maintaining their trustworthiness for their target market. It does seem clear that the church administration is bluffing. They'll insist that they're only following the will of god and proclaim that a disagreement with them is rebellion against Christ's church, but as soon as they decide that changing their doctrine would benefit their membership numbers or their bottom line, they'll change it, with all of their previous stridency washed away by a convenient revelation. It's a pattern that can't be denied. The more members that call their bluff, the quicker they'll be forced to receive their revelation.

[frank ryan]

Early on in church history, yes, common consent was a big deal. Unfortunately under Brigham Young it achieved its current performance status.

It seems like Brigham Young messed all the cool doctrine and made the church boring