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[I.J. Reilly]

Cost, health and business practice (organized crime) would all be considerations, but ignoring all of those, I don't see prostitution as anything more than a very expensive and elaborate form of masturbation.

LOL. This sort of stuff is probably why you didn't win out on the #1 apostate award. You come off as a nice guy and well informed but I think your politics (sexual, purely political, whatever) may be a little out there for most LDS to take you seriously. Also, if you and Faith genuinely agree on this and she wouldn't have any problem with your "expensive and elaborate form of masturbation" then you have a relationship that stands apart from just about any that I have seen. I am reminded of a quote:

Tobias: You know, Lindsay, as a therapist, I have advised a number of couples to explore an open relationship where the couple remains emotionally committed, but free to explore extra-marital encounters.
Lindsay: Well, did it work for those people?
Tobias: No, it never does. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but.... it might work for us.

[myboynoah]

Does anyone else find it somewhat ironic that it's the enlightened apostate here that's suggesting that men have right to multiple women?

Actually, a move toward having sex with multiple women has been a hallmark of Mormon apostates for years. At least some have wanted to legitimize the relationship via marriage. It sounds like RF is only interested in his own personal gratification.

[beelzebabette]

Does any of this really matter? RF is hitting at the core of this issue for many of the men: the sexualization of women. They are objects whose primary purpose is to provide sexual gratification for men.

I honestly don't know what to do with this information. I don't know whether to be more suspect of the mindset of men I interact with who don't speak of women this way; I don't know what weight to apply to the term "many" above; and, if I assign any non-crackpot credence to this idea, I'm left with all manner of confusion re: what my place in this world.

[RobinFinderson]

And subject to those same disclaimers, would you have no problem with Faith's transaction with a midnight cowboy?

Faith can do what she likes. I love her, but I don't own her. But it would break my heart if she didn't want to be my partner any more. I don't see a midnight cowboy as a threat.

[Jeff Lebowski]

One has to wonder if RF's hedonism is a phase he is going through. I.e., moving from a "restricted" environment to one in which there are no rules. I am guessing that he eventually finds some equilibrium somewhere.

[RobinFinderson]

Actually, a move toward having sex with multiple women has been a hallmark of Mormon apostates for years. At least some have wanted to legitimize the relationship via marriage. It sounds like RF is only interested in his own personal gratification.

To be very clear, I don't have affairs. I just don't judge people who do. There are all kinds of reasons why people do what they do, and the assumption that everyone is building a relationship on the same kind of foundation doesn't make sense to me.

[Babs]

Actually, a move toward having sex with multiple women has been a hallmark of Mormon apostates for years. At least some have wanted to legitimize the relationship via marriage. It sounds like RF is only interested in the sex.

Personally, I think I'd start to draw some unhappy inferences if my partner were just that supportive of me looking outside the marriage for sexual release. But that's just me.

[RobinFinderson]

You delude yourself. Women turn to prostitution when they DON'T have any choices, and rarely are they adults when they take up the profession.

I was talking about the sanitized version of prostitution that allowed us to discuss theoretical threats to relationships.

But if you want to talk about real prostitution, then I tend to agree with you.

[Jeff Lebowski]

To be very clear, I don't have affairs. I just don't judge people who do.

That's awfully open-minded of you.

Do you judge people who commit abuse? I am curious how far you carry this.

[RobinFinderson]

Do you judge people who commit abuse? I am curious how far you carry this.

Of course.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Of course.

You don't see anything wrong with affairs? Dishonesty? Breach of trust?

[RobinFinderson]

You don't see anything wrong with affairs? Dishonesty? Breach of trust?

I see problems with dishonesty and breach of trust. An affair will often be one of those things, but I won't assume that to be the case unless an offended party says so.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I see problems with dishonesty and breach of trust. An affair will often be one of those things, but I won't assume that to be the case unless an offended party says so.

How would an affair (by definition), not involve dishonesty and a breach of trust?

[RobinFinderson]

How would an affair (by definition), not involve dishonesty and a breach of trust?

If the affair took place in an open relationship.

[Jeff Lebowski]

If the affair took place in an open relationship.

Then it's not really an affair, is it?

What percentage of marriages have "open relationships"?

By that logic, maybe abuse cases involve a victim with masochistic fetishes. We shouldn't judge until the facts are in.