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The only thing I didn't like about the female gyna I visited was that when I was talking to her about different birth control options she brought up her own personal experience. Look, I don't need my doctor to give me anecdotal stuff from her own life. I can get that from my girlfriends.Originally posted by Surfah View PostThat may be true. I am looking for a study on the gender preference for women, not what those genders practicing do.
I don't think Gidget ever had a female OB/GYN until we were married. I don't care. It's her stuff. I am all for whomever she feels most comfortable with. I sat in on her last yearly test. I'm glad I am a male.
Otherwise, it doesn't make a difference to me. I don't see how I would feel any more comfortable having a woman shove a cold metal instrument up me and poke around than a man. Either way it's awkward.What's to explain? It's a bunch of people, most of whom you've never met, who are just as likely to be homicidal maniacs as they are to be normal everyday people, with whom you share the minutiae of your everyday life. It's totally normal, and everyone would understand.
-Teenage Dirtbag
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As of 2002, 61% of women preferred a female OBGYN:Originally posted by Surfah View PostThat may be true. I am looking for a study on the gender preference for women, not what those genders practicing do.
I don't think Gidget ever had a female OB/GYN until we were married. I don't care. It's her stuff. I am all for whomever she feels most comfortable with. I sat in on her last yearly test. I'm glad I am a male.
Determinants of Women's Choice of Obstetrician/Gynecologist
Zuckerman M, Navizedeh N, Feldman J, McCalla S, Minkoff H
J Womens Health Gend Based Med. 2002;11:175-180
That's asking them to state one preference or the other, though.
When you allow the option of "no preference," then 35% prefer women, 7% prefer men, and the others have no preference.
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When they started discussing the girl parts who do you think was paying closer attention?Originally posted by Surfah View PostI don't really care, but I just don't understand why you'd want a doctor who specializes in an organ that he/she doesn't have. I'll never see a female urologist for example (I understand that the field encompasses women too, but still).
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If cost and health issues were not a concern, would your rental of a prostitute also be acceptable within your (plural) concept of marriage? If not, why not?Originally posted by RobinFinderson View PostPorn is about orgasms, and orgasms have very little to do with real intimacy. I don't hide my interest in porn from Faith, because we know that it just doesn't mean anything. I would always prefer being with Faith, but some times she isn't interested. I respect that, which is why, when I'm interested and she isn't, I don't trouble her about that. I don't whine, "But honey, a man has neeeeds!" I give her a kiss and send her on her way to do whatever it is she would rather do at the moment besides being with me. No big deal.
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I'm with BBB. I prefer a male OBGYN. Maybe their willingness to induce is one of my reasons. . . four babies, all two weeks early, smallest 9 lbs 13 oz, largest 11 lbs 9 oz. I noted that the female doctor in the practice with my OB was not sympathetic at all and had it been her call, she let me know I would not be induced early. Nice. Two more weeks on any of my pregnancies, and I would have given birth to some toddlers.Originally posted by Babs View PostNot me. Studies show that male OBGYNs are more likely to induce, more likely to perform episiotomies, more likely to perform C-section, and so on.
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Cost, health and business practice (organized crime) would all be considerations, but ignoring all of those, I don't see prostitution as anything more than a very expensive and elaborate form of masturbation.Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostIf cost and health issues were not a concern, would your rental of a prostitute also be acceptable within your (plural) concept of marriage? If not, why not?
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And Faith? What does she think about it?Originally posted by RobinFinderson View PostCost, health and business practice (organized crime) would all be considerations, but ignoring all of those, I don't see prostitution as anything more than a very expensive and elaborate form of masturbation.What's to explain? It's a bunch of people, most of whom you've never met, who are just as likely to be homicidal maniacs as they are to be normal everyday people, with whom you share the minutiae of your everyday life. It's totally normal, and everyone would understand.
-Teenage Dirtbag
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Just one followup question, is this just an opinion from your perspective or does it also take into account the mental health of the prostitute?Originally posted by RobinFinderson View PostCost, health and business practice (organized crime) would all be considerations, but ignoring all of those, I don't see prostitution as anything more than a very expensive and elaborate form of masturbation.
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Both of us are against the use of prostitutes and sex outside of marriage, not because we see it as a betrayal of trust, but rather because of the health risks and cost associated with it. But theoretically, if you were to eliminate all of the risks and the moral quandaries that go with a business typically run by thugs and slavers, I don't think she would have a problem with it. But I don't want to put words into her mouth, so I will emphasize that this is simply what I think she would say (we haven't discussed the subject with all of the caveats ER raised).Originally posted by marsupial View PostAnd Faith? What does she think about it?
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Originally posted by marsupial View PostAnd Faith? What does she think about it?Does any of this really matter? RF is hitting at the core of this issue for many of the men: the sexualization of women. They are objects whose primary purpose is to provide sexual gratification for men.Originally posted by beelzebabette View PostJust one followup question, is this just an opinion from your perspective or does it also take into account the mental health of the prostitute?Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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Does anyone else find it somewhat ironic that it's the enlightened apostate here that's suggesting that men have right to multiple women?Originally posted by myboynoah View PostDoes any of this really matter? RF is hitting at the core of this issue for many of the men: the sexualization of women. They are objects whose primary purpose is to provide sexual gratification for men.
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Having never been a prostitute, I won't claim to know how the profession affects their mental health. A lot of 'good' work requires whoring of one sort or another. Whoring is when a person does something for money that s/he would consider wrong outside of the 'professional' context. The world is full of whores. I've left good career building jobs because I couldn't stand the bits of whoring necessary to compete for professional opportunities.Originally posted by beelzebabette View PostJust one followup question, is this just an opinion from your perspective or does it also take into account the mental health of the prostitute?
In general I assume that adults have weighed the pros and cons of their choices, and have chosen to pursue what they perceive as their own best interests. I try not to judge.
The problem with prostitution is that it is a dirty business with ties to organized crime, murder, and slavery. Is it possible to clean up that industry? If so, I wouldn't have a problem with people renting prostitutes.
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And subject to those same disclaimers, would you have no problem with Faith's transaction with a midnight cowboy?Originally posted by RobinFinderson View PostBoth of us are against the use of prostitutes and sex outside of marriage, not because we see it as a betrayal of trust, but rather because of the health risks and cost associated with it. But theoretically, if you were to eliminate all of the risks and the moral quandaries that go with a business typically run by thugs and slavers, I don't think she would have a problem with it. But I don't want to put words into her mouth, so I will emphasize that this is simply what I think she would say (we haven't discussed the subject with all of the caveats ER raised).
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