The Bigots’ Last Hurrah

[TripletDaddy]

He essentially called people who donated funds and energy to the cause stupid. I am calling him stupid for ridiculing the democratic process.

Now you are making things up. You may be right but you are completely inventing things.

I don't think people that donated or voted are stupid. I just disagree with their decision.

Again, this has come full circle. You are paranoid because your homophobia is showing.

[tooblue]

tooblue, you seem to be spinning a strawman. Nobody has argued that these folks should not be able to vote for Prop 8 or donate a ton of money to it. The original point was that the donation was probably a waste of money.

Spin away, Rumpelstiltskin.

This isn't a court of law. You're not going to win or loose. So enough of the attempts at sophistication with your strawman dung. Furthermore, how can it be a waste of money if that's how people chose to spend their money? What are you -- a socialist?

[wuapinmon]

EPU, I will definitely acknowledge your point if nobody else will. I think you are correct...there does seem to be a double standard when it comes to anything perceived to be anti-Semitic, as opposed to anti-Catholic, anti-Mormon, or anti-Islam. You ask why, but I think you know why. The world has carved out a moral exception for Jews because of what happened in WW2. It might not be fair or consistent, but I think this is the reason. It has nothing to do with Mormonism, at least not in my opinion.

I also think that since Mormons can be from any race or ethnicity that it's a little different from criticizing Jews. Whether they believe or not, Jews are Jewish. SU isn't Mormon anymore. You can't quit going to a synagogue and not be Jewish anymore.

And the WWII exception will last long after all of us are dead and gone.

[il Padrino Ute]

EPU, I will definitely acknowledge your point if nobody else will. I think you are correct...there does seem to be a double standard when it comes to anything perceived to be anti-Semitic, as opposed to anti-Catholic, anti-Mormon, or anti-Islam. You ask why, but I think you know why. The world has carved out a moral exception for Jews because of what happened in WW2. It might not be fair or consistent, but I think this is the reason. It has nothing to do with Mormonism, at least not in my opinion.

I certainly don't disagree about the exception for the Jews - the Holocaust is certainly one of the most loathsome events, if not the most loathsome in history.

I'm just trying to get the self-proclaimed non-bigoted SU to admit that there is a double standard.

And I do appreciate you backing me up here.

[tooblue]

The bishop can vote however he wants, but hinting that he'll deny you the spiritual blessings of the temple crosses a serious line.

Link ... documentation ... this must've been rampant ... or maybe it was isolated and you are guilty of hyperbole

[il Padrino Ute]

I also think that since Mormons can be from any race or ethnicity that it's a little different from criticizing Jews. Whether they believe or not, Jews are Jewish. SU isn't Mormon anymore. You can't quit going to a synagogue and not be Jewish anymore.

And the WWII exception will last long after all of us are dead and gone.

Are Jews an ethnicity or a religion?

As for SU, until the LDS Church removes his records, he's a Mormon.

[tooblue]

Now you are making things up. You may be right but you are completely inventing things.

I don't think people that donated or voted are stupid. I just disagree with their decision.

Again, this has come full circle. You are paranoid because your homophobia is showing.

Again, you can't contend with my argument so you denigrate? What Have I done or said that demonstrates I am homophobic? Nothing. Do a search even if you'd like.

Don't blame me because you are insecure.

[wuapinmon]

Link ... documentation ... this must've been rampant ... or maybe it was isolated and you are guilty of hyperbole

The names are private as were the communications I received, so I'll not share them directly. I just know that it happened.

[wuapinmon]

Are Jews an ethnicity or a religion?

As for SU, until the LDS Church removes his records, he's a Mormon.

EPU (why the E, when it's IPU?),

Hebrew is the ethnicity
Judaism is the religion

The line is blurred. Most people don't understand the difference, for all intents and purposes, "Jewish" means both things.

[tooblue]

Well, a premise of the article is that if you oppose gay marriage that's what you are, as well as a bigot. You have said plenty. The article (an op-ed piece on the NY Times, the paper of record, no less) is about the emerging mainstreaming of gay culture and gay marriage. So you are the one who should be insecure.

Back up your assertions with something more than an insinuation. The only bigot here is you. Any one can do a search of this site and find your bigotry in all it's glory.

[SeattleUte]

I also think that since Mormons can be from any race or ethnicity that it's a little different from criticizing Jews. Whether they believe or not, Jews are Jewish. SU isn't Mormon anymore. You can't quit going to a synagogue and not be Jewish anymore.

And the WWII exception will last long after all of us are dead and gone.

Let me put it this way, Jews have been a discrete ethnic group thousands of years longer than Hispanics.

[tooblue]

The names are private as were the communications I received, so I'll not share them directly. I just know that it happened.

Guess what I also know

[il Padrino Ute]

EPU (why the E, when it's IPU?),

Hebrew is the ethnicity
Judaism is the religion

The line is blurred. Most people don't understand the difference, for all intents and purposes, "Jewish" means both things.

It is IPU. EPU is a little joke that comes from another poster on Mike Water's site. The guy called me EPU which I'm pretty sure was a typo.

I understand that Hebrew is the ethnicity and Judaism is the religion. Again, I'm just trying to get SU to admit that there is a double standard. He won't do it, but I'm not going to stop asking.

[TripletDaddy]

Again, you can't contend with my argument so you denigrate? What Have I done or said that demonstrates I am homophobic? Nothing. Do a search even if you'd like.

Don't blame me because you are insecure.

tooblue, there is no argument with which to contend. Currently, there are 5 people participating in this thread. Nobody seems to agree with you that Cardiac was advocating against democracy. You are the only one that walked away with that take.

You may want to rethink your interpretation. Then again, I think it is more comfortable for you to NOT rethink your position. Easier to dig in your heels.

[il Padrino Ute]

I think it is more comfortable for you to NOT rethink your position. Easier to dig in your heels.

Sincerely,

SeattleUte