The Bigots’ Last Hurrah

[TripletDaddy]

This issue will always bring you out of the woodwork.

Don't ask for the right to do per your conscience absent accountability. That's not how it works.

tooblue is is rambling on about voting his conscience and the lack of democracy. He should be more concerned with an increasingly weak premise upon which to base his homophobia.

Perhaps this is why some conservatives pine for the old days. Back then, we hadn't learned as much as a society and it was much easier to be a bigot. Segregation, women at home, homosexuality was treated by electroshock therapy, etc. All of it was status quo.

And you knew who you were then
Girls were Girls and Men were Men....

THOSE WE'RE THE DAYS!

[SeattleUte]

To wish ill will has consequences.

Speak for yourself. I weep for the LDS Church.

[TripletDaddy]

The only idea I am espousing is democracy. I have no idea where you are going with your little rant. Maybe it's you who is uncomfortable with the ridicule.

Then I am confused. What is the relevance of your comment re: democracy? Is it in question right now with regards to this issue? Maybe it is and I am missing it completely. Are folks alleging that Iowa acted in an autocratic fashion?

[tooblue]

tooblue is is rambling on about voting his conscience and the lack of democracy. He should be more concerned with an increasingly weak premise upon which to base his homophobia.

Perhaps this is why some conservatives pine for the old days. Back then, we hadn't learned as much as a society and it was much easier to be a bigot. Segregation, women at home, homosexuality was treated by electroshock therapy, etc. All of it was status quo.

And you knew who you were then
Girls were Girls and Men were Men....

THOSE WE'RE THE DAYS!

Do you struggle with reading comprehension? Your descent into denigration is interesting? You call me homophobe but I have said nothing against homosexuals. The faulty logic and erroneous characterization only underlies you insecurities.

[wuapinmon]

The only idea I am espousing is democracy. I have no idea where you are going with your little rant. Maybe it's you who is uncomfortable with the ridicule.

Really too? You think that Prop 8 was about democracy? It took a big-ass dump on the 14th Amendment and the idea of Equal Rights.
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That the Church chose to try and use voting to impose our morality on others pisses me off to no end, and I'd be lying if I said it didn't wound my testimony. Homosexuality being a 'sin' should have absolutely jack-shit to do with whether or not two people can marry.

[il Padrino Ute]

Poeple should be bashed for unattractive beliefs. No one gets a free pass from criticism for believing ugly stuff, even if they call it religion. Unlike being gay, it's a choice.

Why is it ok to bash Mormons, but not Jews?

[tooblue]

Then I am confused. What is the relevance of your comment re: democracy? Is it in question right now with regards to this issue? Maybe it is and I am missing it completely. Are folks alleging that Iowa acted in an autocratic fashion?

Cardiac ridiculed people for exercising their democratic rights. I am defending their right to vote and spend money in the face of the ridicule. What's hard to understand is your premature and judgmental attitude.

[SeattleUte]

You call me homophobe but I have said nothing against homosexuals. The faulty logic and erroneous characterization only underlies you insecurities.

Well, a premise of the article is that if you oppose gay marriage that's what you are, as well as a bigot. You have said plenty. The article (an op-ed piece on the NY Times, the paper of record, no less) is about the emerging mainstreaming of gay culture and gay marriage. So you are the one who should be insecure.

[tooblue]

Really too? You think that Prop 8 was about democracy? It took a big-ass dump on the 14th Amendment and the idea of Equal Rights.
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That the Church chose to try and use voting to impose our morality on others pisses me off to no end, and I'd be lying if I said it didn't wound my testimony. Homosexuality being a 'sin' should have absolutely jack-shit to do with whether or not two people can marry.

Uh, yah. In a democracy people are permitted to vote their conscience. But I guess you don't believe in the democratic process?

[tooblue]

Speak for yourself. I weep for the LDS Church.

You reap what you sow ... the church weeps for you!

[wuapinmon]

Cardiac ridiculed people for exercising their democratic rights. I am defending their right to vote and spend money in the face of the ridicule. What's hard to understand is your premature and judgmental attitude.

They have every right to vote and spend money in the face of ridicule, and those denied their rights have every right to spew hatred and farts in their general direction. No one's complaining that they have the right to oppose gay marriage; everyone is complaining that they used that right.

[TripletDaddy]

For anyone who wishes ill to the LDS church Prop. 8 was a godsend. The two now will always be associates with one another, like Vietnam and Robert Strange McNamara.

Well, I would tend to agree with EPU on this particular tangent. Anyone that wishes ill on the LDS Church needs some help.

I do agree that the LDS Church has unwittingly become the face of the anti-gay marriage movement, at least here in California. However, I think that will fade somewhat as time passes. People still see Mormons as racist for the incidents of 1978 and precedent, but I think that sentiment has dissipated somewhat over time. The same will prove true for this civil rights issue.

There is probably going to be a time in my lifetime when I will be telling my kids......"yeah, and then a bunch of people in our ward stood on freeway overpasses asking motorists to vote against equal rights for gays because they were afraid that everyone would be forced to tolerate gay marriage. The horror!"

I would assume that many folks here on CUF have older relatives that were old enough to remember racial segregation vividly. And most probably thought it was normal back in the day.

[wuapinmon]

Uh, yah. In a democracy people are permitted to vote their conscience. But I guess you don't believe in the democratic process?

Guess again. The Church has the right, but there are scores of rights that I don't exercise, especially when that right means that I'm taking rights away from others.

[tooblue]

They have every right to vote and spend money in the face of ridicule, and those denied their rights have every right to spew hatred and farts in their general direction. No one's complaining that they have the right to oppose gay marriage; everyone is complaining that they used that right.

I'm only pointing out that you and others here have such a disdain for the democratic process. That's very closed minded of you.

[SeattleUte]

Why is it ok to bash Mormons, but not Jews?

It's not okay to bash Jews when people think they're wrong? I think you need to do more reading. I see, for example, journals and newspapers bash Israel all the time. People bash Orthodox Jews for their literal belief in the OT and resultant efforts to affect Israeli foreign plicy.

You keep saying this; it makes you look Jew obsessed in a negative way, like an anti-semite. I guarantee you that if a synagogue opposed gay marriage it would be in for plenty of criticism.