I learned in church today

[BigFatMeanie]

The men taking kids out is actually from a GC talk, can't remember who said it and I'm too lazy to google it.

Small children can be controlled and taught to be quiet in Sacrament Meeting. No, I'm not 60-something and I haven't forgotten what it's like to have 5 kids under the age of 10 in sacrament meeting. In my observation, naughty/noisy children in church are the result of sloppy parenting.

[CardiacCoug]

The men taking kids out is actually from a GC talk, can't remember who said it and I'm too lazy to google it.

Small children can be controlled and taught to be quiet in Sacrament Meeting. No, I'm not 60-something and I haven't forgotten what it's like to have 5 kids under the age of 10 in sacrament meeting. In my observation, naughty/noisy children in church are the result of sloppy parenting.

Oh brother. Kids are different. I agree that some parents have docile kids (whether by nature or nurture impossible to say) who can be controlled and taught to be quiet. Other kids are extremely strong-willed and short of straightjacket and muzzle they're not going to be good/quiet.

Just because your parenting tactics worked on your kids has nothing to do with other parents and other kids. For the record my 6 kids are much better than average as far as Sacrament Meeting behavior I'd say.

[Moliere]

The only thing I have heard that is even close is that the bishopric should be on the stand 5 minutes before the meeting starts and to start meeting on time.

It's actually in the CHoI to be on the stand 5 minutes before the meeting starts. It's one of those corporatism things that is ignored by many but gives stake presidencies something to bug bishoprics about.

The men taking kids out is actually from a GC talk, can't remember who said it and I'm too lazy to google it.

Small children can be controlled and taught to be quiet in Sacrament Meeting. No, I'm not 60-something and I haven't forgotten what it's like to have 5 kids under the age of 10 in sacrament meeting. In my observation, naughty/noisy children in church are the result of sloppy parenting.

Yes, most kids can be controlled but toddlers can't. They can only be confined. I usually do get bothered by parents that won't take a screaming child to the foyer but I generally am not bothered by little kids that are busily, and semi-quietly, playing in a confined space.

FTR, I don't find that list funny at all. I find it sad...and lame...and incredibly non-understanding.

[Jeff Lebowski]

FTR, I don't find that list funny at all. I find it sad...and lame...and incredibly non-understanding.

And most likely fake.

[Donuthole]

Most of that list is dumb, but I'm all for not assigning GC talks as the basis for Sacrament talks.

[San Juan Sun]

The men taking kids out is actually from a GC talk, can't remember who said it and I'm too lazy to google it.

Small children can be controlled and taught to be quiet in Sacrament Meeting. No, I'm not 60-something and I haven't forgotten what it's like to have 5 kids under the age of 10 in sacrament meeting. In my observation, naughty/noisy children in church are the result of sloppy parenting.

Interesting thoughts. In my observation, docile children in sacrament are usually dull and less intelligent than their peers.

[BigFatMeanie]

Just because your parenting tactics worked on your kids has nothing to do with other parents and other kids.

Yes, most kids can be controlled but toddlers can't. They can only be confined.

You guys can continue to justify your crappy parenting if it makes you feel better...

[Moliere]

Most of that list is dumb, but I'm all for not assigning GC talks as the basis for Sacrament talks.

Yes, that's a lazy way to assign talks and it makes for horribly boring sacrament meetings. Most members are mature enough in the Gospel to be able to put together 15 minutes of material on any subject.

[Moliere]

You guys can continue to justify your crappy parenting if it makes you feel better...

Well, the Proclamation on the Family puts that responsibility squarely on my wife, or at least that's what I tell her.

[CardiacCoug]

Seems like years ago I recall being asked to speak a couple of times without an assigned topic -- just talk about whatever you want.

Would the talks be better or worse if speakers chose their own topics. Probably better right?

[BigFatMeanie]

Well, the Proclamation on the Family puts that responsibility squarely on my wife, or at least that's what I tell her.

Now you're talking like a man!

[BigFatMeanie]

Interesting thoughts. In my observation, docile children in sacrament are usually dull and less intelligent than their peers.

Fortunately, my little angels are the exceptions that prove your rule.

[Moliere]

I've a church question. Can a Sealer seal a couple outside of the confines of the temple?

I know the groom takes the bride through the veil, but beyond that...

No, they can't.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Seems like any hymn in the hymn book should be fair game for Sacrament Meeting.

When else would you sing the more obscure hymns? When you have an organ and a whole bunch of people that's the best possible situation to try them. Sing them and they won't be so obscure.

I remember we had a Bishopric Counselor years ago who had a thing about "reverence" before and during Sacrament Meeting. He didn't like people talking before the start of the meeting and thought if any kid talked during the meeting then the parents clearly weren't doing things right.

Sad little man -- funny how quickly 60-something adults forget that little kids just can't be controlled, especially when we're asking them to sit through a meeting thay usually even bores the neurologically intact adults out of their minds.

We had some random GA come and talk about a year ago, he said that "not all hymns were meant for sacrament meeting" apparently that wasn't the point of his talk when I was supposed to say amen though.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

You guys can continue to justify your crappy parenting if it makes you feel better...

I'm a crappy parent, whatever. Is it crappier to just stay home from church or go and try and fail to keep them somewhat quiet?