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  • Jeff Lebowski
    Corporate lackey for Jesus
    • Nov 2008
    • 69500

    #6031
    Originally posted by creekster View Post
    My guess is this is a mixture of scripture, inspiration and the philosophies of men. I would not be surprised if the first presidency is pushing to improve sacrament meeting quality. This strategic goal is probably then filtered to the area people and then to the stake leaders and then to your bishop in some sort of training session and this list was likely created as part of that process of dissemination of the strategic goal. The odds of this list being from the first presidency directly are, IMO, about nil.
    Bingo.

    "No more reading talks."? Say adios to the teleprompter at general conf.
    "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
    "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
    "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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    • TripletDaddy
      sweet triple
      • Nov 2008
      • 58186

      #6032
      i take my ipad to sac so none of the things on the list really bother me anyway.
      Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

      sigpic

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      • Northwestcoug
        Cocked and Loaded
        • May 2011
        • 17935

        #6033
        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
        Bingo.

        "No more reading talks."? Say adios to the teleprompter at general conf.
        Ha. It was well into my undergrad that I thought those talks were memorized . I think I remember noticing the clear screens at the pulpit, but I just didn't clue in. At any rate, my ignorance kept alive the urban legend of Monson's photographic memory!
        "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
        "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
        - SeattleUte

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        • thesaint258
          aka Benito Hazard
          • Jan 2009
          • 3005

          #6034
          Originally posted by YOhio View Post
          What kind of dad wouldn't want to take his children out in the hall to skip sacrament meeting?
          Exactly. If you have to deal with the difficulties of having kids, you should be able to enjoy the positives, too. One of those is getting out of sacrament meeting.
          Not that, sickos.

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          • Stick
            Junior Member
            • Oct 2011
            • 18

            #6035
            We had stake conference yesterday and Elder Ballard spoke. I don't remember too much of his talk, but I do remember him saying the 1st pres. and q of 12 want our sacrament meetings to be better. They should be invigorating, and should be a known quantity. Missionaries and members shouldn't be afraid to bring their investigators or non-member friends out of fear of what crazy things might be said.

            (Or something to that effect.)

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            • SandYFan
              Junior Member
              • May 2013
              • 754

              #6036
              Originally posted by creekster View Post
              My guess is this is a mixture of scripture, inspiration and the philosophies of men. I would not be surprised if the first presidency is pushing to improve sacrament meeting quality. This strategic goal is probably then filtered to the area people and then to the stake leaders and then to your bishop in some sort of training session and this list was likely created as part of that process of dissemination of the strategic goal. The odds of this list being from the first presidency directly are, IMO, about nil.
              Fair enough. My stake presidency has been known to overextend from time to time.

              The point is, this is gospel now in my ward. Not feeling great about it.

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              • Sullyute
                a day late/a dollar short
                • Jul 2010
                • 3308

                #6037
                Originally posted by Stick View Post
                We had stake conference yesterday and Elder Ballard spoke. I don't remember too much of his talk, but I do remember him saying the 1st pres. and q of 12 want our sacrament meetings to be better. They should be invigorating, and should be a known quantity. Missionaries and members shouldn't be afraid to bring their investigators or non-member friends out of fear of what crazy things might be said.

                (Or something to that effect.)
                Yea! So no more homophobia tirades, end-of-the-world predictions, world-is-so-evil talks, women-are-equal-but-men-preside speaches, girls-must-cover-their-shoulders modesty lessons. That is great news!
                "Friendship is the grand fundamental principle of Mormonism" - Joseph Smith Jr.

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                • wuapinmon
                  Soul Plumber
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 30711

                  #6038
                  Originally posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
                  This list is *clears throat* unlikely, but anyone who dictates how I prepare or deliver a talk can take a flying leap (but not in sacrament meeting, because that wouldn't be appropriate).
                  I never ever read a Sunday School or Priesthood lesson. I almost always read my talks. I can speak extemporaneously, but, my talks now are careful weavings of multiple sources into a narrative that I want to remain the way I prepared it beforehand. Plus, I'm usually asked to speak on something by looking awry at it, so I have to be careful to not adlib my way into a court of love.
                  "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                  The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                  • Dwight Schr-ute
                    Members Only
                    • May 2011
                    • 4917

                    #6039
                    Originally posted by Stick View Post
                    We had stake conference yesterday and Elder Ballard spoke. I don't remember too much of his talk, but I do remember him saying the 1st pres. and q of 12 want our sacrament meetings to be better. They should be invigorating, and should be a known quantity. Missionaries and members shouldn't be afraid to bring their investigators or non-member friends out of fear of what crazy things might be said.

                    (Or something to that effect.)
                    Telling members to go off script for their talks isn't going to accomplish that. (Although it will bring much entertainment to this thread.)

                    Also, listening to 30 people rip through the five testimony glove points once a month does nothing for me. Nothing weird about a straight hour of religious observers stepping up to the microphone and repeating the same "I know..." phrases.
                    I told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.

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                    • scottie
                      Junior Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 5247

                      #6040
                      Originally posted by SandYFan View Post
                      Fair enough. My stake presidency has been known to overextend from time to time.

                      The point is, this is gospel now in my ward. Not feeling great about it.
                      Don't worry -- it'll last 2 months, tops.

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                      • RC Vikings
                        Known Heterosexual
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 8788

                        #6041
                        Originally posted by SandYFan View Post
                        All I can tell you is that all three members of my bishopric were very excited about this and said it is the key to improving the dwindling attendance in our ward at sacrament meeting.
                        Our sacrament meeting attendance is down also. I would like to see them shorten sacrament meeting.

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                        • hostile
                          lollygagger
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 5736

                          #6042
                          Originally posted by RC Vikings View Post
                          Our sacrament meeting attendance is down also. I would like to see them shorten sacrament meeting.
                          2 hour block.
                          "You interns are like swallows. You shit all over my patients for six weeks and then fly off."

                          "Don't be sorry, it's not your fault. It's my fault for overestimating your competence."

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                          • TripletDaddy
                            sweet triple
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 58186

                            #6043
                            Originally posted by hostile View Post
                            2 hour block.
                            you are getting warmer!
                            Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

                            sigpic

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                            • Commando
                              Explosivo
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 20748

                              #6044
                              Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                              I never ever read a Sunday School or Priesthood lesson. I almost always read my talks. I can speak extemporaneously, but, my talks now are careful weavings of multiple sources into a narrative that I want to remain the way I prepared it beforehand. Plus, I'm usually asked to speak on something by looking awry at it, so I have to be careful to not adlib my way into a court of love.
                              I don't think that's what they meant. We have all sat through those youth talks where they read an article out of the New Era, right?
                              "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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                              • Northwestcoug
                                Cocked and Loaded
                                • May 2011
                                • 17935

                                #6045
                                Originally posted by Sullyute View Post
                                Yea! So no more homophobia tirades, end-of-the-world predictions, world-is-so-evil talks, women-are-equal-but-men-preside speaches, girls-must-cover-their-shoulders modesty lessons. That is great news!
                                I could be wrong, but I sense much in this post
                                "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                                "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                                - SeattleUte

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