I learned in church today

[SandYFan]

And most likely fake.

All I can tell you is that all three members of my bishopric were very excited about this and said it is the key to improving the dwindling attendance in our ward at sacrament meeting.

If they made the whole thing up, it's incredibly out of character for them all, and a terrible joke to pull on the entire ward council.

If you meant you think I'm lying, well, at least you have that in common with El Jefe.

[BigFatMeanie]

I'm a crappy parent, whatever. Is it crappier to just stay home from church or go and try and fail to keep them somewhat quiet?

If the shoe fits...

If you stay home then you're crappy in general. If you go and let your kids be noisy then you're just a crappy parent. So, it's crappier to just stay home. Those of us with good kids will try and forgive you for being a crappy parent.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

If the shoe fits...

If you stay home then you're crappy in general. If you go and let your kids be noisy then you're just a crappy parent. So, it's crappier to just stay home. Those of us with good kids will try and forgive you for being a crappy parent.

Thanks for the further light and knowledge.

[falafel]

Most of that list is dumb, but I'm all for not assigning GC talks as the basis for Sacrament talks.

Or EQ lessons.

[falafel]

We had some random GA come and talk about a year ago, he said that "not all hymns were meant for sacrament meeting" apparently that wasn't the point of his talk when I was supposed to say amen though.

[DrumNFeather]

Or EQ lessons.

Depends on the teacher...my EQ lessons based on GC talks are always a home run.

[YOhio]

What kind of dad wouldn't want to take his children out in the hall to skip sacrament meeting?

[Moliere]

What kind of dad wouldn't want to take his children out in the hall to skip sacrament meeting?

Ones with a firm testimony of the truthfulness of the restored gospel

[YOhio]

Ones with a firm testimony of the truthfulness of the restored gospel

Wrong. Those are the dads that feel sufficiently comfortable taking a break. It's the weak ones who need to sit and listen closely to whatever they're saying inside. Dads with strong testimonies feel comfortable turning down the foyer speaker so a good conversation isn't interrupted by a prayer or musical number.

[creekster]

Wrong. Those are the dads that feel sufficiently comfortable taking a break. It's the weak ones who need to sit and listen closely to whatever they're saying inside. Dads with strong testimonies feel comfortable turning down the foyer speaker so a good conversation isn't interrupted by a prayer or musical number.

Prayers in the foyer speaker, like those on tv at conFerencz, always make me uncomfortable. Isn't there some sort of physical presence rule?

[Sleeping in EQ]

Apparently the First Presidency have sent down a big push on improving sacrament meeting. According to my bishopric, here is what needs to change:

1. No more reading talks.

2. Kids need to be quiet or taken out to the foyer, by the men.

3. Bishopric needs to be seated on the stand at 7 minutes before the start of Sacrament Meeting.

4. Stop choosing obscure hymns for the meeting.

5. No more speaking on General Conference talks.

6. No stories during F&T meeting. Get up, testify, sit down.

7. The Ward Council now plans all Sacrament Meetings together.

This list is *clears throat* unlikely, but anyone who dictates how I prepare or deliver a talk can take a flying leap (but not in sacrament meeting, because that wouldn't be appropriate).

[Sleeping in EQ]

A more interesting phenomenon is that we try to sit kids down for 70 minutes during sacrament meeting and then follow that up with almost two more hours on aluminum chairs.

And then we punish them for "acting up."

We're dumber than a box of hammers on this stuff.

Don't get me started on the primary leaders with no training and a room full of special needs kids.

[Sullyute]

I'm a crappy parent, whatever. Is it crappier to just stay home from church or go and try and fail to keep them somewhat quiet?

That is why i sit in the back with my noisey kids. I figure if people don't like the fuss, they should get to church earlier and sit in the front by Big Fat Meanie's family.

[creekster]

Apparently the First Presidency have sent down a big push on improving sacrament meeting. According to my bishopric, here is what needs to change:

1. No more reading talks.

2. Kids need to be quiet or taken out to the foyer, by the men.

3. Bishopric needs to be seated on the stand at 7 minutes before the start of Sacrament Meeting.

4. Stop choosing obscure hymns for the meeting.

5. No more speaking on General Conference talks.

6. No stories during F&T meeting. Get up, testify, sit down.

7. The Ward Council now plans all Sacrament Meetings together.

My guess is this is a mixture of scripture, inspiration and the philosophies of men. I would not be surprised if the first presidency is pushing to improve sacrament meeting quality. This strategic goal is probably then filtered to the area people and then to the stake leaders and then to your bishop in some sort of training session and this list was likely created as part of that process of dissemination of the strategic goal. The odds of this list being from the first presidency directly are, IMO, about nil.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Wrong. Those are the dads that feel sufficiently comfortable taking a break. It's the weak ones who need to sit and listen closely to whatever they're saying inside. Dads with strong testimonies feel comfortable turning down the foyer speaker so a good conversation isn't interrupted by a prayer or musical number.

So the people that need to sit quietly with kids in Sac are better parents with weaker testimonies. I'm going to need a flow chart eventually.