I learned in church today

[BlueK]

This explains that answer of "no" that I got a lot better than the lame excuses I received instead.

We did ignore that answer, btw, and unofficially combined the "meetinghouse" troops on a number of activities including scout camp. It worked out great. Attendance, if anything, improved.

Yeah, that's what I've seen pretty much everywhere it's been tried. That's why I was just curious about what Clackamas observed when his stake did it and why he thinks it didn't work in his case. Then came his response and I hope bringing up the memory didn't send him over the edge.

For the record, I'm not a scouting person. I just worked at their national office for three years because they needed a market researcher, which let me see a side of it the average person doesn't.

[Northwestcoug]

Yeah, that's what I've seen pretty much everywhere it's been tried. That's why I was just curious about what Clackamas observed when his stake did it and why he thinks it didn't work in his case. Then came his response and I hope bringing up the memory didn't send him over the edge.

For the record, I'm not a scouting person. I just worked at their national office for three years because they needed a market researcher, which let me see a side of it the average person doesn't.

Sounds like an interesting gig. Did you see a lot of official church interaction with the BSA?

[byu71]

In my experience this is extremely rare. Most leaders, even the huge nerd scouters, understand and are even supportive in regard to kids being involved in sports.

Good. They live in the heart of Utah County, but I suspect you are probably right even there.

[RC Vikings]

We helped clean the church last night and before we started the the lead guy said that in a meeting last week they learned that cleaning the church was a spiritual experience and therefore we needed to start with prayer. Based off sacrament meeting lately they probably have a point. Calling cleaning the church a spiritual experience seems to be setting the bar pretty low.

[SandYFan]

We helped clean the church last night and before we started the the lead guy said that in a meeting last week they learned that cleaning the church was a spiritual experience and therefore we needed to start with prayer. Based off sacrament meeting lately they probably have a point. Calling cleaning the church a spiritual experience seems to be setting the bar pretty low.

I guess if temple cleaning starts with a prayer, church cleaning is kind of the same thing? I hadn't considered it before.

[BlueK]

Sounds like an interesting gig. Did you see a lot of official church interaction with the BSA?

the official stuff wouldn't have come across my department, but there is clearly a pretty strong relationship that wasn't hard to notice working there.

[Clark Addison]

I am currently attending weekly (sometimes twice weekly) rehearsals for a stake musical performance. The leader likes to start with a prayer, which is reasonable, and also a spiritual thought, which is stupid.

[TripletDaddy]

the last couple of times we have cleaned the chapel, my wife has told the kids not to bring headphones and ipod.

[byu71]

the last couple of times we have cleaned the chapel, my wife has told the kids not to bring headphones and ipod.

Good post.

[Sullyute]

I hate scouting. I don't desire to speak any further on the matter.

Nothing Personal. I think you're potentially a nice fellow and wish you peace on your earthly sojourn.

Does Elder Packer know about this hatred? No wonder you got stuck with this CS internet mission and not the Augusta National Mission that PAC will be the president of.

[old_gregg]

I am currently attending weekly (sometimes twice weekly) rehearsals for a stake musical performance . . . which is stupid.

fify

[Clark Addison]

fify

Sure, I don't think you will get any argument for me or most anyone else on that, but just as when you aren't good enough to play in the NBA, you are forced to play church ball sometimes, if you aren't good enough to play in the Chicago Symphony you have to lower yourself to stake musical productions if you want to keep in practice.

I still don't want to give a spiritual thought, though (or listen to one).

[myboynoah]

the last couple of times we have cleaned the chapel, my wife has told the kids not to bring headphones and ipod.

Good for her. Those things inhibit the family togetherness aspect of the whole experience.

[LVAllen]

The sister missionaries have a grand total of two adjectives in their vocabulary: "super," and "awesome."

[Jeff Lebowski]

"Patience is learnng to deal with other people's crap."