I learned in church today

[Paperback Writer]

You're in the mission field. They have to take what they can get. Here in Zion, where we have people whose families have been in the Church for generations, we have Super Mormons!

You might be surprised at the number of "Super Mormons" in Texas. A lot of Utah & Idaho transplants - some waiting to trek back to Zion while others are putting down roots in the Lone Star State. But I know that the Bishopric here looks at TR holding men who have teenage boys to serve in the YM.

Recently had a DQ advisor meeting to discuss the one deacon out of over 20 who said in private that he was not planning on serving a mission. He wants to join the Marines after high school and has a pretty good plan in place to reach that goal. IMO, there's nothing wrong with that and I stated as much but the consensus was that we needed to fast and pray for him so that he will have a change of heart. I recently was released from YM but have been notified that I'll soon be HT his family because he stopped coming to Scouts/YM and priesthood. Geez, wonder why?

[FMCoug]

You might be surprised at the number of "Super Mormons" in Texas. A lot of Utah & Idaho transplants - some waiting to trek back to Zion while others are putting down roots in the Lone Star State. But I know that the Bishopric here looks at TR holding men who have teenage boys to serve in the YM.

Recently had a DQ advisor meeting to discuss the one deacon out of over 20 who said in private that he was not planning on serving a mission. He wants to join the Marines after high school and has a pretty good plan in place to reach that goal. IMO, there's nothing wrong with that and I stated as much but the consensus was that we needed to fast and pray for him so that he will have a change of heart. I recently was released from YM but have been notified that I'll soon be HT his family because he stopped coming to Scouts/YM and priesthood. Geez, wonder why?

You must not be a casual observer of my posts, much less a student. Or you would know that I was being sarcastic. FYI I lived in the DFW area for 10 years before moving to Utah kicking and screaming.

[pellegrino]

I'm guessing you're referring only to those who do use "holocaust" with that, but I can also assure you that many Jews are, in fact, offended by the term. Yes, the word has become so associated with the events in question that it can scarcely refer to anything else, but that doesn't mean that everyone is okay with its questionable origins. The main reason I use holocaust is because most people don't know what Shoah means. When I can, I say Shoah.

I almost always use shoah and if people seem confused or ask I say it's a better term for what they often call the holocaust. Usually they just accept that, some ask details which I gladly give.

[TripletDaddy]

I almost always use shoah and if people seem confused or ask I say it's a better term for what they often call the holocaust. Usually they just accept that, some ask details which I gladly give.

You will be impressed to know that I was the first person to use the term "Shoah" on CUF. I can be culturally sensitive when I so choose.

[Omaha 680]

I almost always use shoah and if people seem confused or ask I say it's a better term for what they often call the holocaust. Usually they just accept that, some ask details which I gladly give.

I feel dense for not knowing this. I always noted that the burnt offerings were called "holocaustos" when I read the Old Testament in spanish, but never bothered to do minimal research to find out why.

[FMCoug]

I feel dense for not knowing this. I always noted that the burnt offerings were called "holocaustos" when I read the Old Testament in spanish, but never bothered to do minimal research to find out why.

I'm no linguist (don't even really speak another language .. stateside mission) but I find stuff like this fascinating. Words in other languages that sound like other things and learning what they mean, where it comes from, etc.

[LA Ute]

I almost always use shoah and if people seem confused or ask I say it's a better term for what they often call the holocaust. Usually they just accept that, some ask details which I gladly give.

Maybe this is an East Coast thing. (Then again, my experience with my D.C. partners has been the same.) After looonnng years being surrounded by Jewish friends, colleagues, and neighbors or all stripes -- Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, cultural, you name it -- including quite a few Holocaust/Shoah survivors, I have to tell you that "Shoah" is a term I have heard only in academic circles and sometimes during services in synagogues and temples, when a lot of Hebrew is being spoken. Our client, The Museum of Tolerance, has a Holocaust Section. The word Shoah doesn't crop up much there, except there's an annual Yom HaShoah Holocaust Remembrance Day. (I had to look that up to remember how it is spelled.) Maybe you and woot hear "Shoah" a lot because you run in academic circles. But you've got me curious. I'm going to start asking around to see if Shoah is the preferred term.

[Omaha 680]

I'm no linguist (don't even really speak another language .. stateside mission) but I find stuff like this fascinating. Words in other languages that sound like other things and learning what they mean, where it comes from, etc.

As do I. It's one of the things I really like about this place is just observing the smart guys talk about these things and picking up little nuggets like this. I wish I had more time to devote to language study.

[FMCoug]

As do I. It's one of the things I really like about this place is just observing the smart guys talk about these things and picking up little nuggets like this. I wish I had more time to devote to language study.

Glad to know I am not the only "smart guy lurker" around here.

[pellegrino]

You will be impressed to know that I was the first person to use the term "Shoah" on CUF. I can be culturally sensitive when I so choose.

did you have an air horn with you while you typed that, or is it more like one of those old school car horns?

I'm glad you use shoah, it is fitting of someone of your caliber.

[pellegrino]

Maybe this is an East Coast thing. (Then again, my experience with my D.C. partners has been the same.) After looonnng years being surrounded by Jewish friends, colleagues, and neighbors or all stripes -- Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, cultural, you name it -- including quite a few Holocaust/Shoah survivors, I have to tell you that "Shoah" is a term I have heard only in academic circles and sometimes during services in synagogues and temples, when a lot of Hebrew is being spoken. Our client, The Museum of Tolerance, has a Holocaust Section. The word Shoah doesn't crop up much there, except there's an annual Yom HaShoah Holocaust Remembrance Day. (I had to look that up to remember how it is spelled.) Maybe you and woot hear "Shoah" a lot because you run in academic circles. But you've got me curious. I'm going to start asking around to see if Shoah is the preferred term.

Most discussions I have about the shoah are with other academics, so I couldn't say for sure what the common parlance is. I'll ask my friend down the road to see what he says and what he hears in his synagogue and w/ his family.

At any rate, you do no disrespect to anyone by using the term.

[UtahDan]

did you have an air horn with you while you typed that, or is it more like one of those old school car horns?

I'm glad you use shoah, it is fitting of someone of your caliber.

[Moliere]

I learned that whoever wrote the chapter heading to 2 Nephi 17 probably didn't know much about Isaiah....

Ephraim and Syria wage war against Judah—Christ will be born of a virgin—Compare Isaiah 7. About 559–545 B.C.

[pellegrino]

aaaayoooooooga!

[Pheidippides]

Most discussions I have about the shoah are with other academics, so I couldn't say for sure what the common parlance is. I'll ask my friend down the road to see what he says and what he hears in his synagogue and w/ his family.

At any rate, you do no disrespect to anyone by using the term.

I'll be honest; I'd never heard it before this thread, and I have had (and still have) many, many Jewish friends.

I don't really bring up the Shoah/Holocaust around them though, so maybe I've just never encountered it.