I learned in church today

[Pheidippides]

On NPR today they said it was being announced in LDS services around the world that the LDS Church would cease baptisms for dead famous people with no blood or other ties to the LDS church. People are now limited to baptisms for dead ancestors on pain of church discipline.

Did this not happen?

I saw this on another news site as well. Apparently there is a letter to be read from the pulpit that is on its way.

[LA Ute]

On NPR today they said it was being announced in LDS services around the world that the LDS Church would cease baptisms for dead famous people with no blood or other ties to the LDS church. People are now limited to baptisms for dead ancestors on pain of church discipline.

Did this not happen?

Here's the text of the letter. They are giving the same instructions they've given in the past, but seem to be saying, "We really mean it! Will you people please stop?"

[UtahDan]

Here's the text of the letter. They are giving the same instructions they've given in the past, but seem to be saying, "We really mean it! Will you people please stop?"

A second manifesto, if you will. (Will you?)

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[Green Monstah]

I got the FOS shakedown today, followed up by a YouTube video from the SP.

May post when I'm not on my phone.

[Moliere]

Virgin in Isaiah would be better translated as "young lady". There was an audible gasp from the class. I thought it was cool. One of our new teachers is a bible commentary enthusiast. Too bad it's BoM year.

[Katy Lied]

I taught the Isaiah lesson including the question of why JS's translation would be word for word the same as KJV's translation, done 200 years previously. Do the Isaiah chapters have a Tynedale flavor? Do they sound like 1600 englishe? The class took the Daniel Ludlow explanation. Afterword, someone came up and told me he had struggled with this question for years.

[pellegrino]

I taught the Isaiah lesson including the question of why JS's translation would be word for word the same as KJV's translation, done 200 years previously. Do the Isaiah chapters have a Tynedale flavor? Do they sound like 1600 englishe? The class took the Daniel Ludlow explanation. Afterword, someone came up and told me he had struggled with this question for years.

can you remind me of this position? I think it has to do with Joseph's familiarity w/ the KJV, but I'm not sure if there is more to it.

[SCcoug]

I'll echo some of the the comments here. We too covered all of the 2 Nephi Isaiah chapters today. We touched on the usual "keys to understanding Isaiah" talked about how great they are and spent the remainder of the 45 minutes talking about what Nephi says about Isaiah.

Sometimes I wish the Sunday School curriculum would slow down so we could take the actual scriptural text more seriously.

[Katy Lied]

Daniel H. Ludlow:

"There appears to be only one answer to explain the word-for-word similarities between the verses of Isaiah in the Bible and the same verses in the Book of Mormon. When Joseph Smith translated the Isaiah references from the small plates of Nephi, he evidently opened his King James Version of the Bible and compared the impression he had received in translating with the words of the King James scholars. If his translation was essentially the same as that of the King James Version, he apparently quoted the verse from the Bible; then his scribe, Oliver Cowdery, copied it down. However, if Joseph Smith's translation did not agree precisely with that of the King James scholars, he would dictate his own translation to the scribe. This procedure in translation would account for both the 234 verses of Isaiah that were changed or modified by the Prophet Joseph and the 199 verses that were translated word-for-word the same. Although some critics might question this procedure of translation, scholars today frequently use this same procedure in translating the biblical manuscripts among the Dead Sea Scrolls."

(A Companion To Your Study of the Book of Mormon, pp141-142)

[pellegrino]

Daniel H. Ludlow: (A Companion To Your Study of the Book of Mormon, pp141-142)

hmm, I wonder how that matches up with what we know about the translation process. Is there documentation of them having a bible with them while translating? Most of the time the plates weren't even in the room, much less consulted.

[Pelado]

hmm, I wonder how that matches up with what we know about the translation process. Is there documentation of them having a bible with them while translating? Most of the time the plates weren't even in the room, much less consulted.

There wasn't room for the plates because of the huge King James Bible on the table.

[Clark Addison]

We were talking about music in HP group yesterday (no one had prepared a lesson), and our HPGL brought up the famous Gene Cook / Mick Jagger throwdown in which the Mickster was totally pwned by G-Cook.

I didn't say anything. Our HPGL is a good guy.

[LA Ute]

All right, all you anonymous flamers, you've been admonished by an apostle:

But there are other "insidious behaviors that poison society and undermine basic morality," he said. "It is common today to hide one's identity when writing hateful, vitriolic, bigoted communications anonymously online. Some refer to it as flaming."

http://www.deseretnews.com/m/article/765556605

[Pheidippides]

All right, all you anonymous flamers, you've been admonished by an apostle:



http://www.deseretnews.com/m/article/765556605

:nana:

If he would care to ask me personally I'll give him the same responses.

[LA Ute]

:nana:

If he would care to ask me personally I'll give him the same responses.

Now you're on the high online road to apostasy.