I learned in church today

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Is Schultz still the temple president? I'll have to ask Conrad if that is true.

Related, I have a buddy that is now head of security at the DC temple. He is often times the only guy at night in the temple. He said at first it creeped him out and every bump and noise would scare him. He has not seen Jesus yet.

No he's been out about a year I think.

[Surfah]

Not directly. Our EQ president mentioned the revelation of 1978 but didn't talk at all about what happened this week. Sometimes I wonder if my ward is in a bubble and they just don't pay attention to current events.

Not a word of it in my ward. And like I said earlier, CUF remains the only place I have seen anything about it.

I just Googled Randy Bott in the news and there were 17 articles sorted by date. And about half of those are from Utah.

[Surfah]

No he's been out about a year I think.

Are they back in Eugene then?

[Omaha 680]

Not a word of it in my ward. And like I said earlier, CUF remains the only place I have seen anything about it.

I just Googled Randy Bott in the news and there were 17 articles sorted by date. And about half of those are from Utah.

I don't expect it to be mentioned in my ward. I actually had a long conversation with my wife about it mast night because I needed to talk to process a bit. She hadn't heard about it either, and I wouldn't call her inattentive the the news. It just isn't a big news item outside the bloggosphere/message boards or Utah. A Romney nomination could change that certainly.

[LA Ute]

"It just may be that my salvation (and yours also) does in fact depend on our ability to understand the writings of Isaiah as fully and truly as Nephi understood them."

--BRM

This was on the board in gospel doctrine class here in the Washington D.C. 2nd Ward, where I am visiting today. I do not believe this - the bolded part, anyway. Statements like that just discourage people.

[Moliere]

"It just may be that my salvation (and yours also) does in fact depend on our ability to understand the writings of Isaiah as fully and truly as Nephi understood them."

--BRM

This was on the board in gospel doctrine class here in the Washington D.C. 2nd Ward, where I am visiting today. I do not believe this - the bolded part, anyway. Statements like that just discourage people.

You went to GD while visiting a ward outside of your home ward and during the isaiah chapter lesson

[Pheidippides]

The phrase we know as burnt offering from the Bible appears in the Greek as holocaust. That made me stop and think.

[woot]

The phrase we know as burnt offering from the Bible appears in the Greek as holocaust. That made me stop and think.

That's why many Jews despise that word.

[pellegrino]

That's why many Jews despise that word.

it's also the reason why most scholars of the tragic events suffered by Jews during WWI refer to them (the events, not Jews) as the Shoah, not the holocaust. Something we all should understand.

Holocaust: "sacrifice by fire, burnt offering," from Gk. holokauston, neut. of holokaustos "burned whole," from holos "whole" + kaustos, verbal adj. of kaiein "to burn." Originally a Bible word for "burnt offerings."

Shoah: Hebrew for catastrophe.

The holocaust of the Old Testament served as an atoning sacrifice for the people of Israel. To suggest that death of millions in the gas chambers of Auschwitz, Dachau and Buchenwald served such a purpose defies reason. There is nothing sacred, holy or sacrificial about their deaths. It was not required by God and it did nothing to atone for any sins committed by either the Nazi-Germans or their victims. Simply put, it was a catastrophe. It was a shoah.

[Pheidippides]

it's also the reason why most scholars of the tragic events suffered by Jews during WWI refer to them (the events, not Jews) as the Shoah, not the holocaust. Something we all should understand.





The holocaust of the Old Testament served as an atoning sacrifice for the people of Israel. To suggest that death of millions in the gas chambers of Auschwitz, Dachau and Buchenwald served such a purpose defies reason. There is nothing sacred, holy or sacrificial about their deaths. It was not required by God and it did nothing to atone for any sins committed by either the Nazi-Germans or their victims. Simply put, it was a catastrophe. It was a shoah.

This makes sense to me - so who coined the term Holocaust to describe Auschwitz etc.? Sounds like a horrible cruel joke to name it such, to me at least - it implies that the Jews were murdered to atone for past sins. Exactly the sort of thing Hitler was saying, IIRC.

[LA Ute]

You went to GD while visiting a ward outside of your home ward and during the isaiah chapter lesson

Well, I didn't check to see what was on the agenda. Anyway, the guy taught a good lesson.

[LA Ute]

This makes sense to me - so who coined the term Holocaust to describe Auschwitz etc.? Sounds like a horrible cruel joke to name it such, to me at least - it implies that the Jews were murdered to atone for past sins. Exactly the sort of thing Hitler was saying, IIRC.

My guess is that it is more a cruel coincidence than anything else. I hear Jews refer to the Nazi genocide as the Holocaust all the time. I am quite sure they don't think about the connection. (Mostly scholars think about the OT in Greek anyway. Most Jews I know learn Hebrew as kids, depending on their level of observance, and study the Torah in Hebrew.)

[woot]

My guess is that it is more a cruel coincidence than anything else. I hear Jews refer to the Nazi genocide as the Holocaust all the time. I am quite sure they don't think about the connection. (Mostly scholars think about the OT in Greek anyway. Most Jews I know learn Hebrew as kids, depending on their level of observance, and study the Torah in Hebrew.)

I'm guessing you're referring only to those who do use "holocaust" with that, but I can also assure you that many Jews are, in fact, offended by the term. Yes, the word has become so associated with the events in question that it can scarcely refer to anything else, but that doesn't mean that everyone is okay with its questionable origins. The main reason I use holocaust is because most people don't know what Shoah means. When I can, I say Shoah.

[SeattleUte]

On NPR today they said it was being announced in LDS services around the world that the LDS Church would cease baptisms for dead famous people with no blood or other ties to the LDS church. People are now limited to baptisms for dead ancestors on pain of church discipline.

Did this not happen?

[LA Ute]

I'm guessing you're referring only to those who do use "holocaust" with that, but I can also assure you that many Jews are, in fact, offended by the term. Yes, the word has become so associated with the events in question that it can scarcely refer to anything else, but that doesn't mean that everyone is okay with its questionable origins. The main reason I use holocaust is because most people don't know what Shoah means. When I can, I say Shoah.

I think you're pretty much right. I say Shoah when I know I am am in a group of scholarly-minded Jews. My Jewish colleagues and clients and friends all know what that means, but they seem to use Holocaust. Mainly I try to use whatever word my conversation mate wants to use. It's kind of like discussing OT history with Jews I know. Most of them prefer to refer to what Mormons call the Babylonian captivity as as the Babylonian exile.