I learned in church today

[Clark Addison]

All right, all you anonymous flamers, you've been admonished by an apostle:



http://www.deseretnews.com/m/article/765556605

The church does, in fact, have a long history of opposing flamers.

[TripletDaddy]

All right, all you anonymous flamers, you've been admonished by an apostle:

http://www.deseretnews.com/m/article/765556605

Elder Cook denounced "any use of the Internet to bully, destroy a reputation or place a person in a bad light" and said anonymity makes people more likely to engage in such behavior.

I suppose this means that the Deseret News is disallowing comments on its website from this day forward.

I really enjoyed Elder Cook's talk about the masks we wear. I remember hearing it in the movie theater about 20 years ago.

[Pheidippides]

Now you're on the high online road to apostasy.

What's the difference between that and the low online road?

[LA Ute]

What's the difference between that and the low online road?

You've got to learn to think metaphorically, son.

[Katy Lied]

hmm, I wonder how that matches up with what we know about the translation process. Is there documentation of them having a bible with them while translating? Most of the time the plates weren't even in the room, much less consulted.

Yes, I've been reading those parts in Rough Stone Rolling. I think Oliver Cowdery was the one transcribing, and it seems they did 1 and 2 Nephi later on. It doesn't seem possible with JS's "head buried in the hat", as Emma wrote of it, but Emma was not his scribe during these parts.

The lesson also talks about seers, and we also discussed the tools of a seer. Lots of intangibles, but then we covered U&T, manuscripts, seer stones, etc. I like innoculation, especially in my class of senior citizens--these folks aren't going anywhere.

We also talked about the difficulty of Isaiah, especially considering his scattershot chronology in addition to all of his other difficult to understand devices. In my opinion, there is nothing like repetition and familiarity with history and the Law (and Isaiah!) to decipher Isaiah. As a lame example, I asked the question who's performance was better--Jim McMahan in the Miracle Bowl, or BJ in the Sugar Bowl. When hands shot up, I asked how could they compare the two--different schools, different eras, different systems, different philosophies, etc. But if they know enough about each one, they can place both QBs in a context to compare their performances.

[taekwondave]

I went to church yesterday. First time in a while. My baby sister was being blessed (I am now one of...eleven? Yeah. Eleven. My dad and step-mom are still going. I'm old enough to be the father of four of my siblings now. People think my four-year old sister is my wife's and mine all the time.)

Anyway, so my 16-year-old sister gets up to bear her testimony. Says that in her seminary class HALF the kids raised their hands when asked if anyone did NOT belief the church was "true."

Was she exaggerating? I would think a little, at least. That seems ridiculously high. But the fact that there was more than a couple, and that they still attend seminary, astounds me. Anybody heard that teenagers are having more "testimony problems" than usual nowadays? Inevitable result of access to info via the internet?

Just surprised me.

[woot]

Am I correct in remembering that they started with Mosiah and came back to 1 and 2 Nephi at the end? It seems that 3 Nephi is problematic as well and for the same reason.

[San Juan Sun]

Yesterday I learned that each home teaching visit should include questions about each family members scripture reading, daily prayer, temple attendance, and the family's food storage.

This talk was meant to encourage us to do home teaching. I honestly think that the only thing I would like less than being nagged by home teachers is to be nagging my HT families. This stuff is supposed to get me excited about HTing?

[Joe Public]

All right, all you anonymous flamers, you've been admonished by an apostle:



http://www.deseretnews.com/m/article/765556605

I did note the article's author used Holocaust instead of Shoah. I wouldn't have thought twice about that before reading nikuman and woot's comments earlier in the thread.

[smokymountainrain]

I went to church yesterday. First time in a while. My baby sister was being blessed (I am now one of...eleven? Yeah. Eleven. My dad and step-mom are still going. I'm old enough to be the father of four of my siblings now. People think my four-year old sister is my wife's and mine all the time.)

Anyway, so my 16-year-old sister gets up to bear her testimony. Says that in her seminary class HALF the kids raised their hands when asked if anyone did NOT belief the church was "true."

Was she exaggerating? I would think a little, at least. That seems ridiculously high. But the fact that there was more than a couple, and that they still attend seminary, astounds me. Anybody heard that teenagers are having more "testimony problems" than usual nowadays? Inevitable result of access to info via the internet?

Just surprised me.

Doesn't seem unusual for teenagers. I would have raised my hand if I had been asked that question when I was taking seminary.

[sparky]

Doesn't seem unusual for teenagers. I would have raised my hand if I had been asked that question when I was taking seminary.

This has become somewhat of a crisis in our ward. The bishop did a survey asking which young men were planning on serving a mission, and even in the deacons quorum only about half said yes. The young mens leadership have now been replaced with the most devout and dedicated in the ward. Their new emphasis seems to be year-round high adventure (mingled with scripture), which I think is a good approach to keep the boys interested.

[FMCoug]

This has become somewhat of a crisis in our ward. The bishop did a survey asking which young men were planning on serving a mission, and even in the deacons quorum only about half said yes. The young mens leadership have now been replaced with the most devout and dedicated in the ward. Their new emphasis seems to be year-round high adventure (mingled with scripture), which I think is a good approach to keep the boys interested.

If your Bishop wasn't already doing this he was dropping the ball. The best Bishops put the first string in YM/YW. That is without question the most critically important age / group of people at Church.

[Moliere]

The best Bishops put the first string in YM/YW. That is without question the most critically important age / group of people at Church.

[taekwondave]

Doesn't seem unusual for teenagers. I would have raised my hand if I had been asked that question when I was taking seminary.

Really? Wow. I guess I was late to the game.

My older sister asked me once when I was 18 if I was planning on serving a mission. I was shocked that she would even think to ask. To me, and I thought to most in my age group (absent some delusions of playing professional sports) it seemed serving a mission was automatic. If they had asked when I was in seminary how many people DIDN'T think the church was true, I would have been surprised to see a single hand. Had they asked how many believed the church WAS true, I think I would have seen about half the hands. The other half would have been sleeping.

[FMCoug]

You're in the mission field. They have to take what they can get. Here in Zion, where we have people whose families have been in the Church for generations, we have Super Mormons!