I learned in church today

[pellegrino]

The exact same thing was taught 4 years ago. I distinctly remember sitting in GD and someone asked the same question and the whole class answered "Moses". Sometimes I wish I was the GD teacher so I could create an awkward pause and then ask "Really?" and see if any hidden biblical scholars come out of the woodwork.

We also watched some old video where it was reinforced that the creation happened spiritually in some other place before it happened physically.

That's what the temple teaches, right? Although the new one does it with cgi, much cooler, probably how God did it anyways.

[Topper]

That's what the temple teaches, right? Although the new one does it with cgi, much cooler, probably how God did it anyways.

Sunday school is often dull but sometimes amusing when the old guard sits in their standard chairs giving the same answers to the same questions after each of the quadrennial rotations. The old guard remains reassured that they act like biblical scholars by having the routine questions answered satisfactorily.

[Moliere]

That's what the temple teaches, right? Although the new one does it with cgi, much cooler, probably how God did it anyways.

That's what I've been told, but I'm not convinced. It seems much more reasonable that the temple teaches us that God had a plan and Christ executed it when it comes to the creation. For the most part I think the newer generation is leaving all that weird BY creation doctrine in the past and I suspect that it'll pretty much be gone in the next 30 years or so. I did note that all the anti-science creation quotes and narrations seemed to come from apostles that are dead. I doubt Pres Uchtdorf would stand up and proclaim the big bang theory as the work of the devil.

I did take the opportunity to mention that we shouldn't get caught up in the historicity of the biblical account of the creation as it was never intended to tell us how God created things. The intention of the account in Genesis/Moses was to let us know our place in the plan.....which the teacher also reinforced through his lesson. Overall it was a good lesson with some small tinklings of "old guard doctrine".

[Green Monstah]

You moved to Oklahoma right?

Well played, Moliere. Well played.

[Northwestcoug]

That's what the temple teaches, right? Although the new one does it with cgi, much cooler, probably how God did it anyways.

That's what I've been told, but I'm not convinced. It seems much more reasonable that the temple teaches us that God had a plan and Christ executed it when it comes to the creation. For the most part I think the newer generation is leaving all that weird BY creation doctrine in the past and I suspect that it'll pretty much be gone in the next 30 years or so. I did note that all the anti-science creation quotes and narrations seemed to come from apostles that are dead. I doubt Pres Uchtdorf would stand up and proclaim the big bang theory as the work of the devil.

I did take the opportunity to mention that we shouldn't get caught up in the historicity of the biblical account of the creation as it was never intended to tell us how God created things. The intention of the account in Genesis/Moses was to let us know our place in the plan.....which the teacher also reinforced through his lesson. Overall it was a good lesson with some small tinklings of "old guard doctrine".

I'm not so sure it's going away any time soon, since it has been canonized:

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew. For I, the Lord God, created all things, of which I have spoken, spiritually, before they were naturally upon the face of the earth. For I, the Lord God, had not caused it to rain upon the face of the earth. And I, the Lord God, had created all the children of men; and not yet a man to till the ground; for in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, neither in the water, neither in the air;

[Jacob]

The GD teacher started off discussing a talk from Mark E Peterson. I perked up immediately. He asked about why people were born in worse circumstances than others, using the example of aborigines. Several class members chimed in with variations of "its not good or bad, but it is a result of what we did in the pre-existence." After a few comments, I chimed in "I strongly disagree." I went on to briefly mention that Mr. Peterson said things about race in the same context that have since been clearly disavowed by the church and I don't think it is either good doctrine or a moral outlook.

I'm not sure whether the teacher was going to make a point here, or whether he moved on due to my disagreement. It seemed that he was starting to move towards the theory that we can't know much of what happened before this life. But he didn't really end up reaching any conclusion and moved on to the rest of the lesson.


Also, regarding Moses at the author of Genesis. I don't think he is, but isn't it hard to teach the Book of Moses in the POGP without the correlated teaching that Moses was also the author of Genesis? Pretty hard to come up with a faithful contrary interpretation, no?

[Topper]

The GD teacher started off discussing a talk from Mark E Peterson. I perked up immediately. He asked about why people were born in worse circumstances than others, using the example of aborigines. Several class members chimed in with variations of "its not good or bad, but it is a result of what we did in the pre-existence." After a few comments, I chimed in "I strongly disagree." I went on to briefly mention that Mr. Peterson said things about race in the same context that have since been clearly disavowed by the church and I don't think it is either good doctrine or a moral outlook.

I'm not sure whether the teacher was going to make a point here, or whether he moved on due to my disagreement. It seemed that he was starting to move towards the theory that we can't know much of what happened before this life. But he didn't really end up reaching any conclusion and moved on to the rest of the lesson.


Also, regarding Moses at the author of Genesis. I don't think he is, but isn't it hard to teach the Book of Moses in the POGP without the correlated teaching that Moses was also the author of Genesis? Pretty hard to come up with a faithful contrary interpretation, no?

This is the problem with much of LDS perspectives. They are in response to 19th Century understandings of Biblical hermeneutics, which in many cases have now been disavowed. The documentary hypothesis, which has also been attacked, pretty much disabused us of Moses writing the Pentateuch.

Perhaps the Maxwell Institute has a new apologetic approach but I haven't read it.

[Clark Addison]

I learned in church today

In the ward I am visiting today, a very young and bubbly blonde girl named Carly had a missionary farewell.

The next speaker was a 50-something year old guy. He started by sating "Carly, you need to make sure you don't distract the Elders, because I don't remember any sisters looking like you"

I'm no expert but I thought that was a little creepy.

Then he took a swipe at the gay agenda. "They just want what we have"

Just now he told how he has been living in his house for 21 years and has never figured out how to run the dishwasher.

My two pants-wearing, ordain women sisters are sitting about 15 rows up from me. I can't wait to talk to them about this.

[Moliere]

We got the "science is of the devil" lesson today in GD. I can't wait until we are out of Genesis.

[pellegrino]

We got the "science is of the devil" lesson today in GD. I can't wait until we are out of Genesis.

or just not go . . .

[Jacob]

Maybe I didn't learn this, but it was reiterated that helping faithful members find lost objects may be the most common way the Lord answers prayers. Maybe Joseph was on to something back in the stone and divinging rod days.

[SCcoug]

We got the "science is of the devil" lesson today in GD. I can't wait until we are out of Genesis.

If you don't speak up the cycle will never be broken.

[RC Vikings]

I learned that Rexburg is a hard place to move into because of the cliques. The teacher was going on and several people piped in with examples. I had to point out that in our room of HP that only 4 of the 30 in there actually grew up in Rexburg so in reality it was a bunch of Utahans, Californians, North Dakotans, etc that weren't being nice to each other.

[myboynoah]

I learned that Rexburg is a hard place to move into because of the cliques. The teacher was going on and several people piped in with examples. I had to point out that in our room of HP that only 4 of the 30 in there actually grew up in Rexburg so in reality it was a bunch of Utahans, Californians, North Dakotans, etc that weren't being nice to each other.

No doubt it mostly the North Dakotans. They've been insufferable since this whole fracking thing started.

[byu71]

I learned that Rexburg is a hard place to move into because of the cliques. The teacher was going on and several people piped in with examples. I had to point out that in our room of HP that only 4 of the 30 in there actually grew up in Rexburg so in reality it was a bunch of Utahans, Californians, North Dakotans, etc that weren't being nice to each other.

Idaho produces some awfully good looking women. Some of them are difficult to deal with though.