Breaking Bad

[Non Sequitur]

If that is the writer's goal then fading to black as hundreds of rounds of automatic weapon fire sound accomplishes the same thing without the cheesy gun fight where everyone seems to be using cap guns. I don't expect the next episode to make no sense (unless no one was injured in the hail of gun fire). It just would have been nice to not get sloppy with the gun fight.

If I were the director, as the stand-off started I would pan up to a high aerial shot, so the viewer could see and hear gunfire but no detail. Then fade to black.

[clackamascoug]

Allow me to state once again what we have said many times in the past week: these things are noteworthy and fun to chat about because this show has been close to perfection every single episode.

I agreed with Jeffery. The joy is in the journey and not the destination. BB has brought a bunch of grown men to the point that we're talking about it like book club ladies. I admit that this thread is as much fun as the show itself, and I'm going to miss both in about three weeks time. Till then...

Jesse told Walt on the phone that he was going to hurt him where he lives. Walt lives and dies with that money. Jesse used Walt's weaknesses against him, and between Hank, Gomie, and Jesse they were able to flush Walt into a recorded phone confession, and to the money which represents the validation of the recorded confession. Where it goes in the middle of a gun fight from here, we can only speculate - and speculation is always as much fun as opening that present on Christmas morning, only to find that your dad painted your old bike and put new wheels tires and handle bars on it, and calling it a present. I didn't know we were poor, I just thought we we're a happy family, until my mom ran on off with the "old family friend." 1971 was a bitch. Jesse! Jesse!

[MarkGrace]

He doesn't have to believe it--he knows it! In other words, Walt knows he rented a van and now Jesse is telling him "Hey, i know you rented a van". Are you saying that Walt should believe Jesse is bluffing, even when Jesse is telling him things which Walt knows to be true (rented van, ricin stolen, poisoned Brock). Those are facts which Walt now knows Jesse has figured out (irrespective of how Jesse figured them out--all Walt knows is somehow he did).

So I guess we'll have to disagree. For me, those facts--things with Jesse has now told Walt he knows--combined with a picture of the barrel/money, provide a totality of circumstances which makes the story believable from Walt's perspective.

Yeah, I just see no reason for him to believe that Jesse would know. And Jesse would have to know not only that he rented a van, but actually know the exact van he rented and be able to pull the GPS coordinates out of it. That's just not believable.

[MarkGrace]

Yeah, I just see no reason for him to believe that Jesse would know. And Jesse would have to know not only that he rented a van, but actually know the exact van he rented and be able to pull the GPS coordinates out of it. That's just not believable.

Or at least not believable enough that you wouldn't step back and go, "hey, wait second," rather than being completely reactionary and jumping full in.

[SoCalCoug]

Allow me to state once again what we have said many times in the past week: these things are noteworthy and fun to chat about because this show has been close to perfection every single episode.

Sorry, I'm a little tired and grouchy.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Grace, I tend to agree about Huell. He rolled too quickly. But the scene racing out to the desert didn't bother me at all and still doesn't. Once he saw the photo of the money, it wouldn't make sense to over-scrutinize the details. Jesse had found his stash and that was in fact "where he really lives". He goes straight to panic mode. Not once during that sequence did his reaction seem odd to me.

Also, I am fine with the transition from Heisenberg back to Walt and it makes sense in a way. Walt has been out of the meth business for a while and he is now facing his death from cancer. Lots of time to sit and contemplate. It would make sense for some of that hard edge to come off.

[jay santos]

Throughout the story, when Heisenberg has time to plan stuff, he's brilliant. When Walt has to act without planning, he's a wreck. This seems pretty consistent with that paradigm.

This is the key point.

[UVACoug]

Did they? Like Walt believed Jesse followed him on GPS? I can't remember. Walt has always treated Jesse like kind of an idiot, which is why him falling for any type of Jesse baiting just doesn't work for me.

And again the whole thing was set up by that Huell scene. That scene was one of those moments BB has kind of consistently done that just throws off the tone of the show to me and I've always kind of hated. It felt more like a bad sitcom than a show of BB's caliber.

Yes. Saul came to the car wash and told Walt Huell was missing. Immediately after that Walt got the text messages from Jesse, after which Jesse said that he found the van and it had a GPS which led him to the money. The fact that the van did not have GPS was the whole genesis of the scheme to get Walt to go out to where the money was buried. It may be contrived, but it all fits together logically.


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[UVACoug]

Hank finds out the van didn't have GPS and then says something like "But Walt doesn't know that". Then when Jesse calls Walt, i think he says something about the van having a GPS.

The implication was that they had tracked down the van, discovered the van had a GPS and they were able to look up where Walt took the van to hide the money. It's a bit convoluted, but I actually think it's less of a jump than believing Jesse would remember that Huell could have swiped the Ricin from him.

And remember that Saul had just been there telling Walt that Huell was missing, so Walt probably believed Huell had spilled the beans on where the van was.


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[jay santos]

The weak point in the Jesse-Huell-money thing was that Walt should have connected the dots that Jesse was likely in police custody or working with police. But I still go back to the point that Walt sometimes lets his emotions take over, and when that happens he doesn't act like the cool, calculated evil genius. And when he finds out his money is at risk, his subconscious might not ever care if Jesse is working with police. If the money is gone his life is worthless anyway.

[UVACoug]

The weak point in the Jesse-Huell-money thing was that Walt should have connected the dots that Jesse was likely in police custody or working with police. But I still go back to the point that Walt sometimes lets his emotions take over, and when that happens he doesn't act like the cool, calculated evil genius. And when he finds out his money is at risk, his subconscious might not ever care if Jesse is working with police. If the money is gone his life is worthless anyway.

It really is about whether he has time to cool off and calculate a Heisenbergian plan and whether he is reacting. We have seen him fly off the handle and do stupid things without thinking throughout the entire series. I'm really not sure why people are surprised that he would do it again here. Walt is like Bronco ... when he has time to prepare, look out. But when he is reacting to a bad situation, he is more likely to make a stupid decision without thinking. With a few exceptions, Walt has never been quick on his feet.

[SteelBlue]

Heisenberg reads Ozymandias:

[UVACoug]

Heisenberg reads Ozymandias:

Can't wait for the next episode. Rian Johnson directed episodes are always amazing.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Heisenberg reads Ozymandias:

[CardiacCoug]

http://www.yelp.com/biz/los-pollos-hermanos-albuquerque

The former owner was a cut-throat perfectionist - which is why this place has gone down hill since his unfortunate departure from the company. Now they're always looking for new cooks 'cause no one can seem to get the recipe right!