Breaking Bad

[Jeff Lebowski]

I could see that being kind of bad ass if they wouldn't have the cops come and left it more ambiguous if Walt could have escaped/survived. And then shown the news report as Clack says and then roll to a shot where Walt is dressed in royal robes sitting on his godfather throne giving instructions surrounded by heavily armed Mexican henchmen.

No way. That would have been a cheap Hollywood sellout ending.

[jay santos]

No way. That would have been a cheap Hollywood sellout ending.

Yes and the ending was perfect the way it was.

[SandYFan]

If I had to nitpick anything from the final episode, it would be the scene where they are about to shoot Walt and he makes some comment about Jesse that causes skinhead master to go fetch Jesse to make a point. That seemed really far-fetched and way too convenient.

Walt pays Jack to kill Jesse.

Jack does not kill Jesse.

Walt calls him a liar for not killing Jesse.

Jack gets riled up about this, because in his mind, keeping Jesse as a meth monkey means he didn't lie to Walt?

What?

Also, it's not a slam dunk that Walt, Jr. gets that money. Maybe the Schwartz's call the DEA immediately after Walt leaves. Maybe they get the money to Flynn and the DEA finds this incredibly suspicious and discovers this $9 million is not accounted for in the company books. Bam, feds take the money, Walt's family gets nothing.

Those are my two nitpicks. Otherwise, amazing finale, amazing show, and how TV really should be done. Write a story, tell your story, be finished.

[jay santos]

Walt pays Jack to kill Jesse.

Jack does not kill Jesse.

Walt calls him a liar for not killing Jesse.

Jack gets riled up about this, because in his mind, keeping Jesse as a meth monkey means he didn't lie to Walt?

What?

Also, it's not a slam dunk that Walt, Jr. gets that money. Maybe the Schwartz's call the DEA immediately after Walt leaves. Maybe they get the money to Flynn and the DEA finds this incredibly suspicious and discovers this $9 million is not accounted for in the company books. Bam, feds take the money, Walt's family gets nothing.

Those are my two nitpicks. Otherwise, amazing finale, amazing show, and how TV really should be done. Write a story, tell your story, be finished.

Both these were fine for me. I thought the Schwartz money thing was perfect. They have low risk in doing what he told them to do and high risk in not doing it.

The Jesse/Jack thing I thought was also fine. Jack was riled up mostly when Walt said he was "partnering" with Jesse. He wanted to show Walt that was not true.

If I'm going to nit pick, what I would point out would be the implausibility of 1) getting all the skinheads in the same room 2) being able to park his car right in front of said room at correct angle 3) keeping his car keys 4) not having any of the skinheads duck in time to avoid the bullets. But you could do the same for anything in the thriller fiction genre, so it's fine too.

[scottie]

I thought the Schwartz money thing was perfect. They have low risk in doing what he told them to do and high risk in not doing it.

Yep. Sending it through the Schwartzes was Walt's ONLY chance of getting the money to Walt, Jr; maybe not a slam dunk, but definitely the only shot. They have plenty of time between when that happened and Flynn's 18th birthday to figure out a way to tie Walt's association to Gray Matter--he was the co-founder after all--enough to legitimately (as possible) provide Flynn with a nice trust fund.

[Donuthole]

Yep. Sending it through the Schwartzes was Walt's ONLY chance of getting the money to Walt, Jr; maybe not a slam dunk, but definitely the only shot. They have plenty of time between when that happened and Flynn's 18th birthday to figure out a way to tie Walt's association to Gray Matter--he was the co-founder after all--enough to legitimately (as possible) provide Flynn with a nice trust fund.

Not sure how they're going to magically make 9 million appear on their books, but who cares about details like that?

[Art Vandelay]

Not sure how they're going to magically make 9 million appear on their books, but who cares about details like that?

They don't need to make it appear on their books. They have more than adequate cash flow, to fund the trust from Gray Matter. They can use the 9 mil as their personal piggy bank - especially since they will undoubtedly have 24/7 personal security. 500k of unreported expenses for the next 18 years; it would seem easy enough for a couple like that to use 500k a year for the next 2 decades, without anyone ever noticing. Though technically they would be paying Flynn with their money, not Heisenberg's.

I read somewhere online that the backstory of Gray Matter, was discussed on one the dvd commentaries. Walt and Gretchen were engaged. She came from money, he did not (strange the only reference, i recall to Mrs. White, was how much Sklyer disliked her, when he pretended to go see in 4 Days Out). When Walt met Gretchen's parents some comment was made, that insulted his pride, and he dumped her, and by association Elliott.

[clackamascoug]

You would like to see Jesse back in the meth business? You are one sick bastard.

Jesse's dream of the box is like Walt's obsession with being the best at something. In this variation it isn't the box, it's that he's the best person alive that can make baby blue crystal meth. In my supposition it would take Jesse all of 6 months of personal reflection of the experience and with being poor with a long life ahead, and his desire to do good by people he loves, (the same dichotomy Walt danced with), that he decides that the best route for his future would be to go back to Mexico where the odds of being a Grand Drug Lord and living a life of luxury would be smaller. By doing this the show lives on in the hearts of its fans, and Jesse as he matures comes face to face with the same issues Walt encountered, and that is - Breaking Bad can be a good thing, if you're good at it, and like it.

We're all Bastards here. Some of us are Jack and Todd, and some of us are Badger and Skinny Pete.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Jesse's dream of the box is like Walt's obsession with being the best at something. In this variation it isn't the box, it's that he's the best person alive that can make baby blue crystal meth. In my supposition it would take Jesse all of 6 months of personal reflection of the experience and with being poor with a long life ahead, and his desire to do good by people he loves, (the same dichotomy Walt danced with), that he decides that the best route for his future would be to go back to Mexico where the odds of being a Grand Drug Lord and living a life of luxury would be smaller. By doing this the show lives on in the hearts of its fans, and Jesse as me matures comes face to face with the same issues Walt encountered, and that is - Breaking Bad can be a good thing, if you're good at it, and like it.

We're all Bastards here. Some of us are Jack and Todd, and some of us are Badger and Skinny Pete.

Good lord, you are nuts.

[Non Sequitur]

Good lord, you are nuts.

I actually agree with Clack. As much as I like the idea of redemption, the truth is that it's usually just a notion. Jesse is Jesse. He's always been a criminal and he's become pretty good at it. He grew to hate Walt, not because he was morally outraged, but because Walt destroyed things that Jesse loved. Jesse is not going to take a job in a call center and is never going to join Kiwanis. He's a criminal, and he'll always be a criminal.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I actually agree with Clack. As much as I like the idea of redemption, the truth is that it's usually just a notion. Jesse is Jesse. He's always been a criminal and he's become pretty good at it. He grew to hate Walt, not because he was morally outraged, but because Walt destroyed things that Jesse loved. Jesse is not going to take a job in a call center and is never going to join Kiwanis. He's a criminal, and he'll always be a criminal.

lol. Have we been watching the same series? That runs completely counter to the trajectory for Jesse for the last couple of seasons.

[falafel]

I actually agree with Clack. As much as I like the idea of redemption, the truth is that it's usually just a notion. Jesse is Jesse. He's always been a criminal and he's become pretty good at it. He grew to hate Walt, not because he was morally outraged, but because Walt destroyed things that Jesse loved. Jesse is not going to take a job in a call center and is never going to join Kiwanis. He's a criminal, and he'll always be a criminal.

I don't know about that. Remember the first episode, Jesse asks Mr. White why he was doing it. Walt responded by asking why Jesse does it. "Money." That's why he became a criminal. But by the end of the series, Jesse had fundamentally changed. He rejected the money he made from cooking with Walt. He couldn't get rid of it fast enough. Money was his motivation before, but its not anymore.

On another note, I'm not sure what is going to happen to Aaron Paul going forward. He's an incredible actor, but he is so recognizable as Jesse, it might be hard for people to see him in any other roles. He's going to get people yelling "Yeah, bitch!" at him for the rest of his life.

[jay santos]

I actually agree with Clack. As much as I like the idea of redemption, the truth is that it's usually just a notion. Jesse is Jesse. He's always been a criminal and he's become pretty good at it. He grew to hate Walt, not because he was morally outraged, but because Walt destroyed things that Jesse loved. Jesse is not going to take a job in a call center and is never going to join Kiwanis. He's a criminal, and he'll always be a criminal.

hmm not feeling that. He may be a criminal but he's a two bit criminal. He was never comfortable with the life of big time crime and all the unintended consequences of that life.

[Non Sequitur]

lol. Have we been watching the same series? That runs completely counter to the trajectory for Jesse for the last couple of seasons.

How long did it took for Jesse to relapse into drugs after he went straight.? How many times did he leave the drug business and then get back into it? It's sweet to think that Jesse is redeemed, but that's a fantasy.

[Donuthole]

I don't know about that. Remember the first episode, Jesse asks Mr. White why he was doing it. Walt responded by asking why Jesse does it. "Money." That's why he became a criminal. But by the end of the series, Jesse had fundamentally changed. He rejected the money he made from cooking with Walt. He couldn't get rid of it fast enough. Money was his motivation before, but its not anymore.

On another note, I'm not sure what is going to happen to Aaron Paul going forward. He's an incredible actor, but he is so recognizable as Jesse, it might be hard for people to see him in any other roles. He's going to get people yelling "Yeah, bitch!" at him for the rest of his life.

I don't know what major roles he will land, but I predict a few cameo appearances in film to deliver a variation of his catch phrase (or to have that line said directly to him). Speaking of which, did we ever figure out what the huge "bitch" was that he pimped before this season? I was totally expecting a "freedom, bitch!" as he drove through the gate the other night, and was somewhat disappointed when nary a bitch was offered.