Poinsettia Bowl

[Paperback Writer]

I agree this is what happened. And for the bowl game I'm pretty sure we'll see the offense adjust to emphasize what Tanner can do better.

I agree as well. However, Tanner will be throwing to the same group of receivers. I question whether BYU has a legitimate deep threat. Not sure how much of the long game difficulties are due to passing accuracy and how much is due to receivers not getting open or possessing the speed to separate from defenders.

[imanihonjin]

I agree as well. However, Tanner will be throwing to the same group of receivers. I question whether BYU has a legitimate deep threat. Not sure how much of the long game difficulties are due to passing accuracy and how much is due to receivers not getting open or possessing the speed to separate from defenders.

Trinnaman and Kurtz have been completely underwhelming. Kurtz is so soft and Trinniman is virtually non existent for most of every game.

[BlueK]

I agree as well. However, Tanner will be throwing to the same group of receivers. I question whether BYU has a legitimate deep threat. Not sure how much of the long game difficulties are due to passing accuracy and how much is due to receivers not getting open or possessing the speed to separate from defenders.

I know last year's receivers are a little different as a group, so it's hard to compare Tanner throwing to them last year vs. Taysom with this year's group. However, One thing I remember last year is it didn't seem like Tanner even needed that much separation from the receiver vs. the defense. Sometimes the only separation was the height difference and Tanner putting the ball where the receiver could grab it. Taysom doesn't have that skill to the same degree from what I can tell. Yes, he does put the ball in the right place sometimes, but not consistently. He has arm strength, but where the ball actually goes seems to be more random. It's a game of inches. My theory is he never perfected that skill because he always had his legs to fall back on when the receiver wasn't wide open. Granted, it's hard to know for sure because the receivers this year are not all the same people. But the ones who were here last year suddenly actually seem worse. Hill not being able to get them the ball with the right timing or in the right place seems like a plausible explanation, among others.

[BlueK]

Trinnaman and Kurtz have been completely underwhelming. Kurtz is so soft and Trinniman is virtually non existent for most of every game.

Kurtz was much better last year.

[fusnik]

I think it is absurd to assume BYU would be have won 2 more games with Tanner at QB. I get the excitement of seeing what Tanner can do with adequate prep and a gameplan built around him but lets stay smart about this situation.

I don't think it's absurd.

The difference between 11-1 and 8-4 was arguably 2-4 plays a game and I think that Tanner is 2-4 plays better per game than Taysom.

The perception of the daunting schedule tempered a lot of the criticism that Taysom should've faced. He should've been benched multiple times during the year including the first game at halftime.

UA - awful
UCLA - awful
MichSU - awful
MissSU - awful
BSU - should've won
WVU - had a decent chance
Utah - Taysom threw a pick six and Utah had a bajillion TOS and it still came down to the last play

The only quality win was Toledo.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

It's funny you used this as an example because it perfectly illustrates how irrational fan perceptions can be. Under Taysom Hill, BYU was #13 in the nation on third-down conversions this year.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college...conversion-pct

In the name of stats, pick your QB based on his passing

A-324/560 57.9% 4032 yards 7.2 yards per attempt 35/21 TD/INT 131.5 rating

B-609/1049 58.1% 6929 yards 6.6 yards per attempt 43/32 TD/INT 121.0 rating

[Donuthole]

In the name of stats, pick your QB based on his passing

A-324/560 57.9% 4032 yards 7.2 yards per attempt 35/21 TD/INT 131.5 rating

B-609/1049 58.1% 6929 yards 6.6 yards per attempt 43/32 TD/INT 121.0 rating

[Art Vandelay]

In the name of stats, pick your QB based on his passing

A-324/560 57.9% 4032 yards 7.2 yards per attempt 35/21 TD/INT 131.5 rating

B-609/1049 58.1% 6929 yards 6.6 yards per attempt 43/32 TD/INT 121.0 rating

knowing the asker, I'm guessing one of the two (likely the higher) A is Riley and B is Taysom

[cougjunkie]

In the name of stats, pick your QB based on his passing

A-324/560 57.9% 4032 yards 7.2 yards per attempt 35/21 TD/INT 131.5 rating

B-609/1049 58.1% 6929 yards 6.6 yards per attempt 43/32 TD/INT 121.0 rating

Jake Locker vs Taysom?

[Flystripper]

In the name of stats, pick your QB based on his passing

A-324/560 57.9% 4032 yards 7.2 yards per attempt 35/21 TD/INT 131.5 rating

B-609/1049 58.1% 6929 yards 6.6 yards per attempt 43/32 TD/INT 121.0 rating

A?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Yeah, of course Tanner would've won all of those games.

Can you imagine what we could've done last year with Tanner Mangum at quarterback? No way we would've lost to Utah, Missouri, or Michigan.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Jake Locker vs Taysom?

Bro, I wouldn't dare compare anyone to the greatest football player in the history of the known universe.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Yeah, of course Tanner would've won all of those games.

Can you imagine what we could've done last year with Tanner Mangum at quarterback? No way we would've lost to Utah, Missouri, or Michigan.


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I've seen you call things straw men and red herring. I'm going to have to think about it for a minute and see which one of those this post is. Hold on, I'll be back.

[creekster]

I don't think it's absurd.

The difference between 11-1 and 8-4 was arguably 2-4 plays a game and I think that Tanner is 2-4 plays better per game than Taysom.

The perception of the daunting schedule tempered a lot of the criticism that Taysom should've faced. He should've been benched multiple times during the year including the first game at halftime.

UA - awful
UCLA - awful
MichSU - awful
MissSU - awful
BSU - should've won
WVU - had a decent chance
Utah - Taysom threw a pick six and Utah had a bajillion TOS and it still came down to the last play

The only quality win was Toledo.

But if you are going to give the team 2-4 better passing plays you also have to take back all of the scramble plays that resulted in gains or first downs or touchdowns that Mangum could never do. Maybe some of those scrambles would have also been completed passes, but not all of them as the problems with the O line, particularly at the beginning of the year, seem to be well-documented. So you may think he is 2-4 plays better per game, but I dont think there is any way to know that. Maybe, but probably not, IMO. And, as has been pointed out, the coaches do this to live, so they are going to do whatever they think is the best thing to do.

[fusnik]

But if you are going to give the team 2-4 better passing plays you also have to take back all of the scramble plays that resulted in gains or first downs or touchdowns that Mangum could never do. Maybe some of those scrambles would have also been completed passes, but not all of them as the problems with the O line, particularly at the beginning of the year, seem to be well-documented. So you may think he is 2-4 plays better per game, but I dont think there is any way to know that. Maybe, but probably not, IMO. And, as has been pointed out, the coaches do this to live, so they are going to do whatever they think is the best thing to do.

I didn't say pass plays only, I think he is 2-4 plays better overall per game.

Could the final record still be 8-4 even with a QB that is 2-4 plays better? Of course but if you could simulate the games with Tanner vs Taysom I think they win 2 and maybe 3 more games.

As far as the coaching staff, they called a fake punt from their own end zone, say yeah I think it's safe to say they make mistakes that could easily cost them their livelihood.