We'll Lansing and We'll Shout: BYU vs. Michigan State

[old_gregg]

Jamaal rushing for 163, Squally rushing for 50, and Taysoms 47 were the primary factors behind the win. All had higher yards per carry than Taysom had in yards per completion. That doesn't bode well for a balanced attack.

come on, that's a silly comparison.

[Shaka]

Yet another completely meaningless stat given the context.

Yes, Taysom struggles with accuracy on the deep ball. Fortunately he has other strengths that help compensate. None of this negates the fact that he had a fabulous game on Saturday. It is weird that it is so difficult for you to accept that.

Her is a good comparison for you: Navy had a huge upset of 5th-ranked Houston yesterday. They led for most of the game and hung on at the end to win. In the process they completed 3 out of 5 passes. There are probably a few Navy fans somewhere complaining "OK, we beat a top-5 team, but our offensive balance was terrible!".

MSU is nowhere near a top five team. I haven't just said deep ball. Taysom struggles with accuracy on throws over ten yards, especially if those throws require more touch than a fastball.

Hey I'll throw you a bone, his completion to Trinnaman over the middle while evading the blitz was nice. While not a far throw he hit him in stride. We need more of that.

[old_gregg]

i will say this: taysom was behind guys on stuff a decent division one quarterback should not be off on. e.g., whatever that route to algie in the flat was was a bad throw and if he hits him in stride that play goes for 5-6 more. he couldn't hit juergens over the middle either. but he made a couple of nice throws on the 10ish yard outs though and all things considered i would rather have those hard and outside which he tends to do.

[Jeff Lebowski]

MSU is nowhere near a top five team.

So if BYU had beaten a top-5 team under the same circumstances, you wouldn't be whining that Taysom was throwing short passes? That doesn't make any sense.

I haven't just said deep ball. Taysom struggles with accuracy on throws over ten yards, especially if those throws require more touch than a fastball.

Another meaningless stat, in the context of whether or not Taysom helped "win the game" yesterday.

Here are some stats that do in fact relate directly to that point:

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On 3rd down, Taysom Hill was 7 of 10 passing (incl. 7 of last 8) for 6 1st downs and a TD (157.6 effic) and 2 runs for 5 yards and 2 1st dns

[Shaka]

come on, that's a silly comparison.

No it's really not. When you see a high completion percentage but a low YPC it is a red flag. Yesterday the line was doing its job and the receivers were getting open. Why aren't balls getting completed downfield? BYU took those shots in the first half and they weren't working out. Ty adjusted in the second half and we ran the ball and threw underneath because that's what we can do. Unfortunately the team that stuffs our run is going to take away those underneath throws in the effort. I'm not confident in our ability to take advantage of a cheating defense and beat them with a vertical passing game. That's unfortunate for a team that's supposed to be running a west coast type of offense. Taysom is running and reading the defense well but he's still struggling with the throw game because he lacks accuracy and touch. This should come as a surprise to no one because that's always been the knock.

I give a ton of credit to our running game. Had Toledo been able to play just a bit better against the run we get destroyed. Right now we are one dimensional and that's unfortunate.

[Shaka]

So if BYU had beaten a top-5 team under the same circumstances, you wouldn't be whining that Taysom was throwing short passes? That doesn't make any sense.



Another meaningless stat, in the context of whether or not Taysom helped "win the game" yesterday.

Here are some stats that do in fact relate directly to that point:

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That stat's supposed to tell the story of the game? Our running game won that game. I'm not going to give a whole lot of credit to a college QB that can hit a short pass for a first down because most college QB's can do that.

You want stats I'll give you stats. This are the rankings for pass efficiency:

RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT
91 Trevor Knight, QB TA&M 115 215 53.5 1500 7.0 92 9 5 4 121.3
92 Clayton Thorson, QB NW 92 169 54.4 1120 6.6 58 8 4 16 121.0
93 Danny Etling, QB LSU 59 101 58.4 649 6.4 46 3 1 6 120.2
94 Mitch Leidner, QB MINN 86 149 57.7 1006 6.8 32 5 4 5 120.1
95 Jason Driskel, QB FAU 89 148 60.1 990 6.7 85 4 4 15 119.8
96 Jacob Eason, QB UGA 81 151 53.6 991 6.6 66 7 4 12 118.8
97 Zack Greenlee, QB UTEP 52 102 51.0 695 6.8 54 5 3 3 118.5
98 Taysom Hill, QB BYU 120 198 60.6 1255 6.3 75 6 6 12 117.8
99 Ikaika Woolsey, QB HAW 44 90 48.9 644 7.2 63 6 6 5 117.7
100 Greg Windham, QB OHIO 111 197 56.3 1179 6.0 75 8 3 5 117.0

Currently Taysom is the 989th ranked QB in the nation with a 6.3 YAC and a QB rating of 117.

Let's compare and contrast that with these guys:

RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT
1 Jake Browning, QB WASH 104 144 72.2 1418 9.8 50 23 2 10 204.9
2 Logan Woodside, QB TOL 106 151 70.2 1691 11.2 89 20 3 3 204.0
3 Zach Terrell, QB WMU 101 142 71.1 1390 9.8 56 15 0 9 188.2
4 Patrick Mahomes II, QB TTU 166 228 72.8 2274 10.0 75 20 4 10 182.0
5 Thomas Woodson, QB AKR 84 126 66.7 1247 9.9 46 13 4 10 177.5
6 Jerod Evans, QB VT 76 120 63.3 1045 8.7 55 15 1 7 176.1
7 Baker Mayfield, QB OKLA 100 146 68.5 1457 10.0 71 12 4 11 174.0
8 J.T. Barrett, QB OSU 79 123 64.2 981 8.0 79 15 3 3 166.6
9 Sam Darnold, QB USC 80 118 67.8 1099 9.3 67 8 2 2 165.0
10 Mike White, QB WKU 123 187 65.8 1707 9.1 87 14 3 8 163.9
RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT
11 Chad Kelly, QB MISS 115 174 66.1 1596 9.2 63 13 4 10 163.2
12 Ryan Higgins, QB LT 142 216 65.7 1869 8.7 76 17 2 6 162.5
13 Lamar Jackson, QB LOU 101 170 59.4 1625 9.6 72 14 4 8 162.2
14 Ryan Finley, QB NCST 89 128 69.5 1041 8.1 80 9 0 4 161.1
15 Mitch Trubisky, QB UNC 146 208 70.2 1769 8.5 75 13 2 12 160.3
16 Brad Kaaya, QB MIAMI 82 127 64.6 1149 9.0 62 10 4 5 160.2
17 Greg Ward Jr., QB HOU 131 190 68.9 1684 8.9 48 11 4 10 158.3
18 Austin Allen, QB ARK 119 187 63.6 1632 8.7 73 15 5 13 158.1
19 Sean White, QB AUB 92 132 69.7 1187 9.0 48 6 2 12 157.2
20 Brett Rypien, QB BSU 96 156 61.5 1415 9.1 54 11 3 4 157.2

These numbers don't tell the whole story. Our line and receiving corp have issues but both have improved considerably. Unfortunately Taysom as a passer hasn't improved much.

[old_gregg]

No it's really not. When you see a high completion percentage but a low YPC it is a red flag. Yesterday the line was doing its job and the receivers were getting open. Why aren't balls getting completed downfield? BYU took those shots in the first half and they weren't working out. Ty adjusted in the second half and we ran the ball and threw underneath because that's what we can do. Unfortunately the team that stuffs our run is going to take away those underneath throws in the effort. I'm not confident in our ability to take advantage of a cheating defense and beat them with a vertical passing game. That's unfortunate for a team that's supposed to be running a west coast type of offense. Taysom is running and reading the defense well but he's still struggling with the throw game because he lacks accuracy and touch. This should come as a surprise to no one because that's always been the knock.

I give a ton of credit to our running game. Had Toledo been able to play just a bit better against the run we get destroyed. Right now we are one dimensional and that's unfortunate.

this is a facile understanding of the game. sjbh.

[Topper]

Btw, where is Seattle? Didn't he predict MSU would annihilate BYU?

[Shaka]

this is a facile understanding of the game. sjbh.

Wait, weren't you one of the guys who thought Taysom was going to be ranked right up there with the greatest of BYU QB's?

[old_gregg]

Wait, weren't you one of the guys who thought Taysom was going to be ranked right up there with the greatest of BYU QB's?

i am not. it's weird how you keep picking these indefensible positions after games.

[Shaka]

i am not. it's weird how you keep picking these indefensible positions after games.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[Green Monstah]

Why are we fighting? Taysom didnt look like Aaron Rodgers, but he led his team to victory on the road against a P5 school. I'll take it.

[BigPiney]

Why are we fighting? Taysom didnt look like Aaron Rodgers, but he led his team to victory on the road against a P5 school. I'll take it.

There you go, doubling down.

[originalsocal]

Btw, where is Seattle? Didn't he predict MSU would annihilate BYU?

It's those damn depositions again!

[Jeff Lebowski]

Why are we fighting? Taysom didnt look like Aaron Rodgers, but he led his team to victory on the road against a P5 school. I'll take it.

It is so weird. Shaka is on some sort of bizarre quest to cherry-pick stats and convince us all why we should be sad about our best victory in a long time.

Might to time to rename this smilie: