Wah-hoo-wah! BYU @ Virginia

[MarkGrace]

Explain this reasoning a little more. I thought getting linemen wouldn't be too hard considering the demographic. But i don't know. Recruiting is something that stresses me out and why i lose sleep at the thought of losing to Utah for the 4th time in a row followed by a 2 year hiatus.

Yeah, o-line just doesn't seem like a spot where we should struggle in recruiting to me either.

[MarkGrace]

I'm glad some people aren't completely down about the offense, because that just looked atrocious. I couldn't believe that for the 4th straight year I was watching a subpar offense at BYU. And I couldn't believe that for the 3rd straight year every single QB I seemed to watch in other games on Saturday looked like he threw the football better than the QB at QBU. Taysom didn't have time, whatever. But he also just didn't even look very sound throwing the football. Arm action looked ok on throws under about 15 yards, but what the hell happens when he throws the ball beyond that distance? His elbow gets so far under the rest of arm that it looks as awkward and uncomfortable as Ronnie Brewer shooting a jumpshot. I'm sure the accuracy will improve, and plenty of guys have success looking a bit unorthordox, but right now I have a hard time believing he'll ever be anything more than an average passer without reworking those mechanics.

[SCcoug]

The growing pains suck but I'm confident Anae will learn when to GFGH and when to slow things down. As Surfah pointed out if we had slowed things down after resuming play from the delay UVA doesn't get the field goal. I suspect once we find our starters on the oline we'll see a marked improvement from them. If we can stop self inflicted mistakes that lead to easy points we'll win plenty of games. Trying to be cautiously optimistic.

[USUC]

BYU #7 on the Misery Index:

7. BYU: It's one thing to be a fan of a mediocre team, but if that's your lot in life, don't you at least want to be a fan of an unpredictable mediocre team? The Cougars pretty much picked up where they left off last year, losing 19-16 at Virginia, the only difference being that they are now running their offense faster. But faster doesn't mean better when it's BYU. Think of it this way. Would you rather watch Taysom Hill complete 13-of-40 like he did against Virginia, or 6-of-20? I thought so.

BYU is nationally recognized as a mediocre team...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...orgia/2753353/

[pellegrino]

BYU #7 on the Misery Index:



BYU is nationally recognized as a mediocre team...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...orgia/2753353/

um we have been for the past three years.

[lambdacoug]

BYU is nationally recognized as a mediocre team...

This is news?

[USUC]

um we have been for the past three years.

This is news?

I get it but it hurts seeing it in writing. Kind of like when you know you did poorly on a test but can put aside the sting until you get the test back.

[USUC]

And I couldn't believe that for the 3rd straight year every single QB I seemed to watch in other games on Saturday looked like he threw the football better than the QB at QBU. Taysom didn't have time, whatever.

I was just thinking the same thing as I was watching the plethora of highlights from the FCS teams that won this weekend. FCS QBs throwing and connecting a lot better than Heaps, Nelson, or Hill. I hope Hill can turn it around because that is our QB for the next 3 years. Can this all be the result of poor O-Line play? If that's the case is is there another team out there that has as bad an O-line for comparison?

ps- This is a genuine question. There are a lot of folks who post here who have a pretty good understanding of X's and O's

[Surfah]

Really no concessions??

When the lightning delay went into effect all the concessions closed up because everyone had to evacuate the stadium. They wanted everyone out of the stadium outside the gates not just to take shelter underneath. They had local deputies and university police trying to get everyone to leave. We briefly got separated when a deputy told my dad and brother they had to leave. But once the storm was overhead the same cop was telling everyone to come back into the stadium to take shelter. It was nuts. Also, the storm briefly knocked out power. We were told the scoreboard went down. Back up lights came on in the area we were in. So we waited out the delay there. Once the delay was over all of the outside vendors were told they couldn't sell anything. They didn't know why. The stadium concessions in our section would only take cards as their cash registers all went down in the storm and they didn't have anything that had to be cooked. The only concessions that seemed to be operational were on the field level and that was a charlie foxtrot if I've ever seen one.

It was the worst game experience I have ever had. The company I was with was the only redeeming thing about the game. And the Ute fan that showed up.

[lambdacoug]

I get it but it hurts seeing it in writing. Kind of like when you know you did poorly on a test but can put aside the sting until you get the test back.

What hurts the most for me isn't that others perceive us as mediocre, but rather that we are proving them right.

[Non Sequitur]

Running uptempo he little to do with the speed of the players. It has more to do with the depth, conditioning and execution of the team.

Running up-tempo football is like running fast-break basketball...it's great when you have the horses. Robert Anae is trying to do to for BYU what Mike D'Antoni did for the Lakers. I think he's going to have similar results.

[Shaka]

Explain this reasoning a little more. I thought getting linemen wouldn't be too hard considering the demographic. But i don't know. Recruiting is something that stresses me out and why i lose sleep at the thought of losing to Utah for the 4th time in a row followed by a 2 year hiatus.

I have no issues with the gfgh concept, i just don't think we have (or will ever have) the speed to run it the way Arizona or Oregon does. Hill has speed but not the type of speed to keep defenses honest in the way other teams can. Is there a way to run an up tempo with the type of recruits BYU can get?

It's not hard to figure out.

Picture yourself as an LDS recruit and you've got interest from ASU, UCLA, SDSU, Boise State, UofU, USU, and BYU. All of the schools have a decent LDS student population with institute programs. Three are PAC12 schools and two MWC. The three PAC schools are desirable because of their locations, the competition, status as BCS conference members, and all will have a decent social life for a college age LDS football player. The other two are in a lesser conference but still have a lot of LDS kids. BSU is a national power and USU is on a strong upward trend. None of the above schools have an honor code (they might have something but nothing resembling BYU), dress and grooming standards, or forced participation in religion classes. If you have a weak moment and your girlfriend spends the night no one is going to try to kick you out of school.

BYU has tradition but no conference championship to play for. Unless they go undefeated or maybe one loss they will always go to a lower tier bowl game. Individually players will not be able to garner conference honors. It's true you may get to play a decent schedule and visit/play some historic teams. You also might be playing the dregs of college football in November.

Truth is the other schools have a lot to offer and LDS kids are taking notice. BYU does not have the cachet they used to have with the local high school athletes. Take for instance my buddy's kid that is a left tackle at a local Utah County school. Kid played his senior year at 6'4 and 260lbs and is still growing. He also runs a sub 5.0 sec 40. All the local schools except BYU showed interest and did the recruiting dance with him and his parents. Despite having a father who is a former BYU volleyball player, an uncle who is a former member of the football team, attending BYU camps every summer, and dreaming of being a Cougar, the kid started to become less excited about BYU and signed a LOI with another school. He's now serving a mission and will most likely be a good college lineman when he returns. These are the kids that BYU can't take lightly.

When I played high school ball BYU was head and shoulders above everyone else in the state. In those days BYU didn't have to put much effort into getting what local talent they wanted. This is no longer the case. UofU and USU are viable options for all local players.

My point is there are a limited number of decent LDS line recruits and they have other options. Also BYU isn't as appealing to the Jason Skukanec type players who are either non-LDS or LDS but not strong in the faith.

[wuapinmon]

[USUC]

It's not hard to figure out.

Picture yourself as an LDS recruit and you've got interest from ASU, UCLA, SDSU, Boise State, UofU, USU, and BYU. All of the schools have a decent LDS student population with institute programs. Three are PAC12 schools and two MWC. The three PAC schools are desirable because of their locations, the competition, status as BCS conference members, and all will have a decent social life for a college age LDS football player. The other two are in a lesser conference but still have a lot of LDS kids. BSU is a national power and USU is on a strong upward trend. None of the above schools have an honor code (they might have something but nothing resembling BYU), dress and grooming standards, or forced participation in religion classes. If you have a weak moment and your girlfriend spends the night no one is going to try to kick you out of school.

BYU has tradition but no conference championship to play for. Unless they go undefeated or maybe one loss they will always go to a lower tier bowl game. Individually players will not be able to garner conference honors. It's true you may get to play a decent schedule and visit/play some historic teams. You also might be playing the dregs of college football in November.

Truth is the other schools have a lot to offer and LDS kids are taking notice. BYU does not have the cachet they used to have with the local high school athletes. Take for instance my buddy's kid that is a left tackle at a local Utah County school. Kid played his senior year at 6'4 and 260lbs and is still growing. He also runs a sub 5.0 sec 40. All the local schools except BYU showed interest and did the recruiting dance with him and his parents. Despite having a father who is a former BYU volleyball player, an uncle who is a former member of the football team, attending BYU camps every summer, and dreaming of being a Cougar, the kid started to become less excited about BYU and signed a LOI with another school. He's now serving a mission and will most likely be a good college lineman when he returns. These are the kids that BYU can't take lightly.

When I played high school ball BYU was head and shoulders above everyone else in the state. In those days BYU didn't have to put much effort into getting what local talent they wanted. This is no longer the case. UofU and USU are viable options for all local players.

My point is there are a limited number of decent LDS line recruits and they have other options. Also BYU isn't as appealing to the Jason Skukanec type players who are either non-LDS or LDS but not strong in the faith.

So in summation, its the honor code and the church's reach at other institutions that is dooming BYU? Doesn't sound like much can be done about that. Anything BYU can do?

[MarkGrace]

So in summation, its the honor code and the church's reach at other institutions that is dooming BYU? Doesn't sound like much can be done about that. Anything BYU can do?

I read the whole thing and didn't even see an answer to the question.