The Big 10 Expansion Groundswell

[tooblue]

Arizona to have meeting with Big 12 this week

https://247sports.com/college/arizon...eek-189624231/

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[SeattleUte]

If that were truly a consideration, they would take Oregon/UW/Stanford (maybe Cal) over Utah and CU.

Did you read the USC press release? They basically said that they will make so much money off of this that transportation won't be an issue. IOW, chartered/private jets for everyone.

EDIT: I don't want to minimize the loss of regional rivalries. It is a darn shame.

They need more than 4 schools in the western pod.

I would never claim Utah and Colorado would precede Washington and Oregon. But they need more.

It's not the travel expense. It's the toll on coaches and players of flying so far with big time zone changes repeatedly. That kind of disparity is inequitable and affects competition. Even the pro leagues are sensitive to it.

Also, optics. Look st the Big Ten's obviously curated Wikipedia. It shows a swath of contiguous states to dispel the crazy geography nothion. They need a geographic footprint that's contiguous, and AAU schools.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I am predicting ND + Stanford to the B1G and then they are done for now.

[SeattleUte]

I am predicting ND + Stanford to the B1G and then they are done for now.

That's batshit.

[USUC]

That's batshit.

ND gets what it wants. If they say they want Stanford, Stanford goes. I think the only viable candidates for the B1G are OU, Udub, and Stanford. Stanford only if ND says so.

[Jeff Lebowski]

That's batshit.

They are #3 on the best global universities list!

Checkmate.

[Omaha 680]

Phoeniz is about 2.5 times the size of Portland. But in terms of market size, Phoenix is 11 and Portland is only 10 behind at 21. The more intriguing aspect has to do with state legislature interference. If some claims are true--I haven't seen an actual news release--that the given state legislatures have said Oregon and OSU/ Washington and WSU must be package deals, then I could see the more attractive option being ASU, Arizona, Washington, WSU with the Oregon schools being on the outside.

Since the beginning of the realignment era we have heard of state legislatures that would flex their muscles to keep public schools together but they have yet to do anything. A&M left Texas, Oklahoma left Oklahoma State, and I'm sure if if comes down to being in the Big 10 alone or being with their fellow state schools in the Big12, both Washington and Oregon will leave their state counterparts.

[USUC]

Since the beginning of the realignment era we have heard of state legislatures that would flex their muscles to keep public schools together but they have yet to do anything. A&M left Texas, Oklahoma left Oklahoma State, and I'm sure if if comes down to being in the Big 10 alone or being with their fellow state schools in the Big12, both Washington and Oregon will leave their state counterparts.

In all honesty, WSU and OSU really do belong in the MWC. Cal is a tough one. They are an olympic sports and academic powerhouse. They do not have a good place to fall for what they are.

[Omaha 680]

I don’t think SU’s point about college football going down the drain is getting enough credit. CF is in trouble and is eating itself. It is becoming heavily regionalized with most of it focused in the South East (conference). They are tearing down any kind of established tradition and making any kind of rivalries irrelevant. It is losing a lot of appeal and uniqueness that set it apart from something like the nfl.

On a completely unrelated note (truly), it’s also fun to see he still struggles with sarcasm.

Yes I agree 100% with SU on that. I have been on this point for 20 years now as I feared the BCS and now the playoff are emphasizing the national championship above all else and have severely diminished the importance of regional rivalries and conference championship chases that made CFB great. I don't think super leagues would be possible without the past 20 years of making regional rivalries less important, but I'm not sure there was a way to prevent it all. It makes me sad regardless. Obviously everyone wanted to win a national championship when I was growing up but what we really wanted to do was beat Oklahoma and go to the Orange Bowl. That was the most important by far.

[Moliere]

They are #3 on the best global universities list!

Checkmate.

[jay santos]

Don't be silly Seattle—that doesn't make sense

I agree it makes sense to add a couple more western teams to give USC, UCLA closer home games. But if you've ruled out Wash and Ore due to finances, it makes zero sense to assume Colo, Utah slide in as alternatives.

[tooblue]

I agree it makes sense to add a couple more western teams to give USC, UCLA closer home games. But if you've ruled out Wash and Ore due to finances, it makes zero sense to assume Colo, Utah slide in as alternatives.

They are both AAU schools, the geography (hoping time zones), the Denver media market and Utah's increased national profile in football helps it make more sense than your blue tinted goggles will allow you to admit.

[Pelado]

They are both AAU schools, the geography (hoping time zones), the Denver media market and Utah's increased national profile in football helps it make more sense than your blue tinted goggles will allow you to admit.

If Washington and/or Oregon don't make financial sense for the B10, then moreso for Utah and Colorado. And, if adding a school doesn't make financial sense for the B10, then it's not happening even with an "increased national profile".

[jadesroom]

They are both AAU schools, the geography (hoping time zones), the Denver media market and Utah's increased national profile in football helps it make more sense than your blue tinted goggles will allow you to admit.

A national profile in college football is often shortlived

[Omaha 680]

Wasn't Nebraska stripped of AAU status on a technically? Like something like their med school not being located on campus or something weird like that?

It wasn't that the med school wasn't on campus; several AAU schools have med schools off their campus. It's that university of Nebraska Medical Center is under a separate administrative arm from the main campus in Lincoln, so its research and associated dollars were not considered under the AAU review that ultimately booted Nebraska. UNMC is essentially a separate school like UN-Omaha is. Also, compared to their former AAU peers, a higher percentage of research and associated grants at Nebaska is agricultural, which is also not scored favorably in the AAU review. The expulsion required a 2/3 supermajority vote of all members and I believe the exposition passed by 2 votes.

I havent looked into it enough to form an opinion if they "deserved" to be booted. But I do know they were in the organization for 100 years and are the only university to ever be expelled. They will probably maintain that dubious distinction because others (most recently Iowa State) have withdrawn voluntarily rather than risk exulsion.