The Big 10 Expansion Groundswell

[SeattleUte]

I read a group of schools including Notre Dame, North Carolina, Duke, Stanford, Cal, and others are contemplating forming a second Ivy that deemphasizes sports and rejects decoupling of DI sports from academia and retains the student athlete model.

That's my preferred landing place for Utah.

If you think these schools do their academic reputations any good with this football nonsense you're wrong. Florida, Texas A&M, Clemson, are good schools academy, but only known among the public as meathead schools. The only way it helps academia is somewhat increasing student applications. Not all the students they want.

USC's reputation has taken a beating from sports scandals. Probably more than its celebrity bribery scandal.

[SeattleUte]

How do you feel about adding Fresno State and UNLV to the P10?

Against it. Would never happen.

[SeattleUte]

When you think about how much else UCLA and USC have going on. Their budgets several billion dollars, top 10 world University rankings, important stuff. UW the same. Utah essentialy the same. And this is all so Mickey Mouse.

College football fans are relatively very few in number. Nobody cares about this crap.

The educated care about AI, China, Ukraine, climate change, NATO, and some actually are too busy with career, family and reading books to watch much football.

That being said, I went to the Rose Bowl and am going to Gainesville. Not because of what college sports is becoming. That's such a buzz kill.

Even USC generates less than 100 million football revenue. Not even enough to go public. Ant shit.

[USUC]

When you think about how much else UCLA and USC have going on. Their budgets several billion dollars, top 10 world University rankings, important stuff. UW the same. Utah essentialy the same. And this is all so Mickey Mouse.

"Essentially" doing a lot of work in this paragraph.

[SeattleUte]

Basically, the college football bigs are turning themselves into NFL minor leagues. Ugh. Nobody cares about minor leagues.

[SeattleUte]

"Essentially" doing a lot of work in this paragraph.

Utah is #151 in the world. Not bad. UW is #7. BYU is #760.

https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...ities/rankings

[SeattleUte]

But don't make me put down BYU with your trolling. I have family there.

[Donuthole]

Day-drunk SU is my favorite SU.

[SeattleUte]

Actually, USC is #70. Despite its disgraceful football program.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I read a group of schools including Notre Dame, North Carolina, Duke, Stanford, Cal, and others are contemplating forming a second Ivy that deemphasizes sports and rejects decoupling of DI sports from academia and retains the student athlete model.

That's my preferred landing place for Utah.

Utah is a fine school, but doesn't belong in any conversation about "ivy league". Come on.

If you think these schools do their academic reputations any good with this football nonsense you're wrong. Florida, Texas A&M, Clemson, are good schools academy, but only known among the public as meathead schools. The only way it helps academia is somewhat increasing student applications. Not all the students they want.

USC's reputation has taken a beating from sports scandals. Probably more than its celebrity bribery scandal.

Florida, Texas A&M, Clemson have fine reputations for research, etc. A&M is especially strong in STEM.

When you think about how much else UCLA and USC have going on. Their budgets several billion dollars, top 10 world University rankings, important stuff. UW the same. Utah essentialy the same. And this is all so Mickey Mouse.

Essentially the same. Lol.

The educated care about AI, China, Ukraine, climate change, NATO, and some actually are too busy with career, family and reading books to watch much football.

There is a lot of truth to this. Whenever I chat with faculty from other universities (University of Utah included), I am always struck by how little the faculty care about sports and how clueless they are about what is going on in college sports in general.

College football fans are relatively very few in number. Nobody cares about this crap.

I guess you can take some solace then. Who cares if Utah's athletic program goes in the toilet?!

[Jeff Lebowski]

Utah is #151 in the world. Not bad. UW is #7. BYU is #760.

https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...ities/rankings

Kind of odd when the same outlet has the national rankings like this:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges...l-universities

USC = #27
BYU = #79
Utah = #99

[jadesroom]

Utah is #151 in the world. Not bad. UW is #7. BYU is #760.

https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...ities/rankings

I love the college edition of US news.. If I'm not mistaken it has BYU ranked 79th among all national universities and the University of Utah ranked 99th. I have family at the University of Utah and hope that they will one day repent.

Btw, I hope the utes and Miami will one day be in the same conference. That way, they can fight over which team has claim to the tabletop football goalpost sign. My money is on the Hurricanes.

[SeattleUte]

I love the college edition of US news.. If I'm not mistaken it has BYU ranked 79th among all national universities and the University of Utah ranked 99th. I have family at the University of Utah and hope that they will one day repent.

Btw, I hope the utes and Miami will one day be in the same conference. That way, they can fight over which team has claim to the tabletop football goalpost sign. My money is on the Hurricanes.

You don't understand those rankings.

[SeattleUte]

Kind of odd when the same outlet has the national rankings like this:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges...l-universities

USC = #27
BYU = #79
Utah = #99

Because you don't understand the rankings. The outlet isn't being stupidly internally inconsistent.

The rankings you link are just for undergraduate teaching programs.

they're mostly driven by admissions numbers which doesn't do justice to public schools.

[SeattleUte]

The undergraduate rankings are very important. I don't mean to denigrate them. It's just only a part of some universities.