2012 BYU Football Season

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  • Omaha 680
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 11189

    #1831
    Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View Post
    @Georgia Tech Loss
    Weber state Win
    @Utah Loss
    @Boise State Loss
    Hawaii Win
    Washington State Loss
    Utah State Win
    Oregon State Win
    @Notre Dame Loss
    @New Mexico State Win
    @San Jose State Win
    Idaho Win

    7-5 Welcome to mediocrity
    You're 2-1 so far. Just like BYU!

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    • Coach McGuirk
      1
      • Nov 2008
      • 12109

      #1832
      Originally posted by Omaha 680 View Post
      You're 2-1 so far. Just like BYU!

      Hell, I think I will be wrong and could be 9-3!

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      • Green Monstah
        Royal Rooter
        • Aug 2010
        • 13989

        #1833
        Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
        Riley has vertebrae issues I'm sure not brought on by his insistence on running into 300 pound lineman because we know he only gets hurt hanging around in the pocket.

        Is he out or just going to play through drugged up like Utah?
        Those are his vertebrae? Ouch.
        Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

        "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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        • TripletDaddy
          sweet triple
          • Nov 2008
          • 58186

          #1834
          how in the world did that x-ray get out onto the web but for someone intentionally wanting it out there?
          Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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          • Blueintheface
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 15382

            #1835
            Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
            how in the world did that x-ray get out onto the web but for someone intentionally wanting it out there?
            That this question wasn't asked hours ago is baffling to me. It was what I thought of immediately.
            "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

            "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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            • Green Monstah
              Royal Rooter
              • Aug 2010
              • 13989

              #1836
              Originally posted by Blueintheface View Post
              That this question wasn't asked hours ago is baffling to me. It was what I thought of immediately.
              That's the reason I assumed it couldn't be Riley's and asked what he was getting at.

              That's just horrible.
              Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

              "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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              • Blueintheface
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 15382

                #1837
                Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
                That's the reason I assumed it couldn't be Riley's and asked what he was getting at.

                That's just horrible.
                It is. I just hope some doctor out there didn't just violate his hypocritical oath.
                "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

                "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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                • falafel
                  loves to talk on things
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 38021

                  #1838
                  Originally posted by Blueintheface View Post
                  It is. I just hope some doctor out there didn't just violate his hypocritical oath.
                  The image is hosted at injuryupdate.com.au. Why would an austrailian website have some random x-ray from a BYU player?

                  Is there any actual evidence this is Riley's?
                  Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                  Dig your own grave, and save!

                  "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                  "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                  GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                  • doctorcoug
                    To Win is to Honor Him
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 2273

                    #1839
                    Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                    I know a chiropractor that can fix that.

                    via a galaxy s3 far far away
                    "Don't expect I'll see you 'till after the race"

                    "So where does the power come from to see the race to its end...from within"

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                    • hostile
                      lollygagger
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 5736

                      #1840
                      Originally posted by doctorcoug View Post
                      I know a chiropractor that can fix that.

                      via a galaxy s3 far far away
                      Since there is really nothing to fix you are probably right.
                      "You interns are like swallows. You shit all over my patients for six weeks and then fly off."

                      "Don't be sorry, it's not your fault. It's my fault for overestimating your competence."

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                      • hostile
                        lollygagger
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 5736

                        #1841
                        Originally posted by falafel View Post
                        The image is hosted at injuryupdate.com.au. Why would an austrailian website have some random x-ray from a BYU player?

                        Is there any actual evidence this is Riley's?
                        Actually there are remote radiology groups in Australia that contract to read X-rays for hospitals in the US.
                        "You interns are like swallows. You shit all over my patients for six weeks and then fly off."

                        "Don't be sorry, it's not your fault. It's my fault for overestimating your competence."

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                        • doctorcoug
                          To Win is to Honor Him
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 2273

                          #1842
                          Originally posted by hostile View Post
                          Since there is really nothing to fix you are probably right.
                          Oh, but there is, you just don't understand postural x-rays like they do.

                          via a galaxy s3 far far away
                          "Don't expect I'll see you 'till after the race"

                          "So where does the power come from to see the race to its end...from within"

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                          • hostile
                            lollygagger
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 5736

                            #1843
                            Originally posted by doctorcoug View Post
                            Oh, but there is, you just don't understand postural x-rays like they do.

                            via a galaxy s3 far far away
                            Hah. That's for sure.

                            If those really are his radiographs that's pretty impressive. While it is a stable injury, fractured transverse processes hurt, a lot.
                            "You interns are like swallows. You shit all over my patients for six weeks and then fly off."

                            "Don't be sorry, it's not your fault. It's my fault for overestimating your competence."

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                            • USUC
                              Chronic Poseur
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 8810

                              #1844
                              Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
                              Since Sunday at 1:12 am (CDT), I've obviously been thinking a lot about the state of BYU football. Really, I missed out on the glory years (my first full game I watched was the Cotton Bowl. I was visiting my mom in Maine and a bunch of the LDS guys I grew up with gathered around a 27 inch screen and watched the game. Great way to get hooked to BYU football, btw), so I don't necessarily think of BYU as "former National Champion BYU" or pine for the LaVell era.

                              Gratuitous Bronco Lovefest

                              Ironically (I believe that I am using this correctly*), I am appreciating Bronco, and his leadership, more and more. Juxtapose the defense under Jaime Hill and Bronco Mendenhall. BM extracts max effort and talent from his guys. I love that about him. He seems to have their respect and they give it all up for him on the field.

                              *Ironic because I have a consistent track record of being critical of BM, and my distaste for him increased each season. Thus, I would expect that my dislike of BM would continue to increase year by year, which has not come to pass. I'll await the official DDD/D-hole ruling.

                              What's the Issue?

                              Looking at BM's abilities as a defensive coordinator is impressive. Clearly there have been issues on the offensive side of the ball in big games. The only big game victory off the top of my head is OU, and that team clearly wasn't as good as we thought it was. TCU pounded the crap out of us each year; Utah is in our heads.

                              We have an inferior starting QB (strictly from the perspective of pure ability). He has a bad arm, makes bad decisions, and although he's touted as a runner, this season he doesn't seem to be all that fast. What does he bring? Mike Leach nailed it--Leadership. The boys play for Riley. He goes balls to the wall every snap, every game.

                              You can't fault Riley, BM, or Doman for wanting this type of player taking snaps as a Senior. It makes me wonder, however--is Nelson's ability to lead simply filling a leadership void? Maybe.

                              I am obviously not an "insider", and I have to watch things play out from afar, but I can't help but think that Riley is such an important leader on offense because we lack the propert coaching leadership on the offensive side of the ball. Don't get me wrong: this isn't a call for Coach Doman's job. In fact, I think we're stuck with Doman through thick and thin. He's been part of this program for 16 or 17 years directly (longer if you count his time at football camps, etc.). He is a great recruiter from all accounts. He seems like a great individual. But, is he a leader? I missed his playing days (mission), so he may have been a Riley-type on-field leader, I can't say. But even if he was, that doesn't necessarily translate to the sideline/pressbox.

                              Doman is accused (maybe wrongfully) of playing favorites. The kid who went on to play for Tulsa allegedly got into a fistfight with Doman, in part b/c Doman was a committed "Max Hall" guy. Maybe the kid was a fault (Bower?), but what kind of coach lets it get to that point? What kind of leader let's the situation reach that point?

                              In a similar vein, Jake Heaps transferred in part because Doman "gave up on him," or so the stories go. Whether this is true or not, Heaps' on-field performance was mediocre at best (except against inferior competition). Heaps seemed to have all the necessary talent, but for whatever reason, that didn't translate to consistent on-field excellence. ** Whatever your take on Heaps and his transfer, one thing seems clear: there was a coaching failure. Whether the failure was developing Heaps talent or putting a scheme together that was consistent with his capabilities, coaching lies at the center of the Heaps debacle. In short, there is a lack of leadership/ability on the part of the offensive coaches. The gap is partially filled with Riley, but three Riley Nelson's can't remedy a lack of leadership from the offenseive coaching staff.

                              **Personally, I think the QBs in Heaps recruiting class were weak, so our expectations for him were sky-high, and he was just the best of a mediocre group of QBs, but that's not relevant.

                              The Solution?

                              It's clearly not to fire Doman. Perhaps it's just patience on our part. We may just have to wait for the starst to allign. I don't think we can simply fire Doman for multiple reasons. Robert Anae took the fall, and I bet we all wish we could have him back. Furthermore, who would we replace him with? Dupaix (no thanks), Cahoon (can't even get Apo to do his job).

                              In a perfect world, we could get Doman back on the sideline and relinquish play-calling to someone else without ruffling his feathers. Impossible, I know.

                              But until we get offensive coaches who narrow the leadership gap between Nelson and the coaching, I don't think we're anything more than a perrenial 8-9 win team.
                              According to Gunther today the difference between Utah and BYU is speed. That's it. Utah has faster players and that's the difference. Not Xs and Os, not coaching, just speed.

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                              • doctorcoug
                                To Win is to Honor Him
                                • Jun 2009
                                • 2273

                                #1845
                                Originally posted by hostile View Post
                                Hah. That's for sure.

                                If those really are his radiographs that's pretty impressive. While it is a stable injury, fractured transverse processes hurt, a lot.
                                I've never seen a patient with TO fractures so I don't know how much they hurt. do you see many?

                                via a galaxy s3 far far away
                                "Don't expect I'll see you 'till after the race"

                                "So where does the power come from to see the race to its end...from within"

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