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2012 BYU Football Season
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Since Sunday at 1:12 am (CDT), I've obviously been thinking a lot about the state of BYU football. Really, I missed out on the glory years (my first full game I watched was the Cotton Bowl. I was visiting my mom in Maine and a bunch of the LDS guys I grew up with gathered around a 27 inch screen and watched the game. Great way to get hooked to BYU football, btw), so I don't necessarily think of BYU as "former National Champion BYU" or pine for the LaVell era.
Gratuitous Bronco Lovefest
Ironically (I believe that I am using this correctly*), I am appreciating Bronco, and his leadership, more and more. Juxtapose the defense under Jaime Hill and Bronco Mendenhall. BM extracts max effort and talent from his guys. I love that about him. He seems to have their respect and they give it all up for him on the field.
*Ironic because I have a consistent track record of being critical of BM, and my distaste for him increased each season. Thus, I would expect that my dislike of BM would continue to increase year by year, which has not come to pass. I'll await the official DDD/D-hole ruling.
What's the Issue?
Looking at BM's abilities as a defensive coordinator is impressive. Clearly there have been issues on the offensive side of the ball in big games. The only big game victory off the top of my head is OU, and that team clearly wasn't as good as we thought it was. TCU pounded the crap out of us each year; Utah is in our heads.
We have an inferior starting QB (strictly from the perspective of pure ability). He has a bad arm, makes bad decisions, and although he's touted as a runner, this season he doesn't seem to be all that fast. What does he bring? Mike Leach nailed it--Leadership. The boys play for Riley. He goes balls to the wall every snap, every game.
You can't fault Riley, BM, or Doman for wanting this type of player taking snaps as a Senior. It makes me wonder, however--is Nelson's ability to lead simply filling a leadership void? Maybe.
I am obviously not an "insider", and I have to watch things play out from afar, but I can't help but think that Riley is such an important leader on offense because we lack the propert coaching leadership on the offensive side of the ball. Don't get me wrong: this isn't a call for Coach Doman's job. In fact, I think we're stuck with Doman through thick and thin. He's been part of this program for 16 or 17 years directly (longer if you count his time at football camps, etc.). He is a great recruiter from all accounts. He seems like a great individual. But, is he a leader? I missed his playing days (mission), so he may have been a Riley-type on-field leader, I can't say. But even if he was, that doesn't necessarily translate to the sideline/pressbox.
Doman is accused (maybe wrongfully) of playing favorites. The kid who went on to play for Tulsa allegedly got into a fistfight with Doman, in part b/c Doman was a committed "Max Hall" guy. Maybe the kid was a fault (Bower?), but what kind of coach lets it get to that point? What kind of leader let's the situation reach that point?
In a similar vein, Jake Heaps transferred in part because Doman "gave up on him," or so the stories go. Whether this is true or not, Heaps' on-field performance was mediocre at best (except against inferior competition). Heaps seemed to have all the necessary talent, but for whatever reason, that didn't translate to consistent on-field excellence. ** Whatever your take on Heaps and his transfer, one thing seems clear: there was a coaching failure. Whether the failure was developing Heaps talent or putting a scheme together that was consistent with his capabilities, coaching lies at the center of the Heaps debacle. In short, there is a lack of leadership/ability on the part of the offensive coaches. The gap is partially filled with Riley, but three Riley Nelson's can't remedy a lack of leadership from the offenseive coaching staff.
**Personally, I think the QBs in Heaps recruiting class were weak, so our expectations for him were sky-high, and he was just the best of a mediocre group of QBs, but that's not relevant.
The Solution?
It's clearly not to fire Doman. Perhaps it's just patience on our part. We may just have to wait for the starst to allign. I don't think we can simply fire Doman for multiple reasons. Robert Anae took the fall, and I bet we all wish we could have him back. Furthermore, who would we replace him with? Dupaix (no thanks), Cahoon (can't even get Apo to do his job).
In a perfect world, we could get Doman back on the sideline and relinquish play-calling to someone else without ruffling his feathers. Impossible, I know.
But until we get offensive coaches who narrow the leadership gap between Nelson and the coaching, I don't think we're anything more than a perrenial 8-9 win team.Last edited by Green Monstah; 09-19-2012, 09:11 AM.Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.
"Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson
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Independence is awesome!!Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View PostWell, I now understand why the scoreboards are the size they are. And why we are losing.
6 home games worth 4M or 666,666.666 per game.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/...er-sources-sayDyslexics are teople poo...
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I'm sure that figure is accurate.
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Nice, cha-ching. Is that more or less or about the same as the Utes will be getting.Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View PostWell, I now understand why the scoreboards are the size they are. And why we are losing.
6 home games worth 4M or 666,666.666 per game.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/...er-sources-say
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Well-written.Originally posted by Green Monstah View PostSince Sunday at 1:12 am (CDT), I've obviously been thinking a lot about the state of BYU football. Really, I missed out on the glory years (my first full game I watched was the Cotton Bowl. I was visiting my mom in Maine and a bunch of the LDS guys I grew up with gathered around a 27 inch screen and watched the game. Great way to get hooked to BYU football, btw), so I don't necessarily think of BYU as "former National Champion BYU" or pine for the LaVell era.
Gratuitous Bronco Lovefest
Ironically (I believe that I am using this correctly*), I am appreciating Bronco, and his leadership, more and more. Juxtapose the defense under Jaime Hill and Bronco Mendenhall. BM extracts max effort and talent from his guys. I love that about him. He seems to have their respect and they give it all up for him on the field.
*Ironic because I have a consistent track record of being critical of BM, and my distaste for him increased each season. Thus, I would expect that my dislike of BM would continue to increase year by year, which has not come to pass. I'll await the official DDD/D-hole ruling.
What's the Issue?
Looking at BM's abilities as a defensive coordinator is impressive. Clearly there have been issues on the offensive side of the ball in big games. The only big game victory off the top of my head is OU, and that team clearly wasn't as good as we thought it was. TCU pounded the crap out of us each year; Utah is in our heads.
We have an inferior starting QB (strictly from the perspective of pure ability). He has a bad arm, makes bad decisions, and although he's touted as a runner, this season he doesn't seem to be all that fast. What does he bring? Mike Leach nailed it--Leadership. The boys play for Riley. He goes balls to the wall every snap, every game.
You can't fault Riley, BM, or Doman for wanting this type of player taking snaps as a Senior. It makes me wonder, however--is Nelson's ability to lead simply filling a leadership void? Maybe.
I am obviously not an "insider", and I have to watch things play out from afar, but I can't help but think that Riley is such an important leader on offense because we lack the propert coaching leadership on the offensive side of the ball. Don't get me wrong: this isn't a call for Coach Doman's job. In fact, I think we're stuck with Doman through thick and thin. He's been part of this program for 16 or 17 years directly (longer if you count his time at football camps, etc.). He is a great recruiter from all accounts. He seems like a great individual. But, is he a leader? I missed his playing days (mission), so he may have been a Riley-type on-field leader, I can't say. But even if he was, that doesn't necessarily translate to the sideline/pressbox.
Doman is accused (maybe wrongfully) of playing favorites. The kid who went on to play for Tulsa allegedly got into a fistfight with Doman, in part b/c Doman was a committed "Max Hall" guy. Maybe the kid was a fault (Bower?), but what kind of coach lets it get to that point? What kind of leader let's the situation reach that point?
In a similar vein, Jake Heaps transferred in part because Doman "gave up on him," or so the stories go. Whether this is true or not, Heaps' on-field performance was mediocre at best (except against inferior competition). Heaps seemed to have all the necessary talent, but for whatever reason, that didn't translate to consistent on-field excellence. ** Whatever your take on Heaps and his transfer, one thing seems clear: there was a coaching failure. Whether the failure was developing Heaps talent or putting a scheme together that was consistent with his capabilities, coaching lies at the center of the Heaps debacle. In short, there is a lack of leadership/ability on the part of the offensive coaches. The gap is partially filled with Riley, but three Riley Nelson's can't remedy a lack of leadership from the offenseive coaching staff.
**Personally, I think the QBs in Heaps recruiting class were weak, so our expectations for him were sky-high, and he was just the best of a mediocre group of QBs, but that's not relevant.
The Solution?
It's clearly not to fire Doman. Perhaps it's just patience on our part. We may just have to wait for the starst to allign. I don't think we can simply fire Doman for multiple reasons. Robert Anae took the fall, and I bet we all wish we could have him back. Furthermore, who would we replace him with? Dupaix (no thanks), Cahoon (can't even get Apo to do his job).
In a perfect world, we could get Doman back on the sideline and relinquish play-calling to someone else without ruffling his feathers. Impossible, I know.
But until we get offensive coaches who narrow the leadership gap between Nelson and the coaching, I don't think we're anything more than a perrenial 8-9 win team.τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν
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From the sporting news:Originally posted by byu71 View PostNice, cha-ching. Is that more or less or about the same as the Utes will be getting.
This is before the PAC12 Network share.To put a finer point on why teams were scrambling to be part of conference realignments, Utah, which made $1.2 million last year from MWC TV revenues, will make roughly $2 million in 2011-12, $10.5 million in 2012-13, $15.75 million in 2013-14 and its full share of $21 million a year in 2014-15 through the remaining years of the deal."Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
"And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla
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GM, there are numerous lower level coaches who have a track record of success/offensive creativity, who would jump at the opportunity to be an OC at BYU. IOW, they are not limited to Dupaix, Cahoon, or even Doman.I'm like LeBron James.
-mpfunk
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GM, let me add something. Riley wasn't even Riley from the jump last week. You could see it in his demeanor, his footwork, frankly his attitude. Injury and the rivalry game seem to be the easiest explanation. If on a short week he is able to heal physically and mentally he can be much more effective. I don't think it's enough time but I hope he proves me wrong."Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault
"Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors
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Who are they?Originally posted by smokymountainrain View PostGM, there are numerous lower level coaches who have a track record of success/offensive creativity, who would jump at the opportunity to be an OC at BYU. IOW, they are not limited to Dupaix, Cahoon, or even Doman.τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν
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lolOriginally posted by TripletDaddy View PostNo problem. Your moniker might be incorrect, also.Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss
There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock
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