Penn State pedophilia

[Solon]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45244328.../#.TrxwPENFv8s


What's the deal with the missing DA? Do they think there is foul play here?

Yeah, probably. Gricar disappeared without anyone knowing anything. IIRC, they found his car near Harrisburg, and a couple of years later found a piece of his laptop's harddrive in the Susquehanna River. Everyone assumed it was some kind of mob-hit. Eventually, they had to presume he had died and hold a special election. Sad story with no answers.

[cowboy]

I don't know about you guys, but the development of my self-identity was tied strongly to sports, both as a participant and a spectator. If Sandusky had been my coach 15 years ago, I could've been one of those kids. If Sandusky had been a mentor or family friend, I could've been Mike McQuery. If Penn State was my favorite college, I could be one of these students expressing outrage over the way Paterno was fired. And that scares the shit out of me. It's really caused me to re-evaluate how much sports means to me, and what role they play in my life. Most of these people are decent humans just trying to find a way to win the next game playing the right way; some are flawed; and some are downright evil.

I've had similar feelings. As I said earlier, I'd like to think I'd do the right thing, but seeing others do what, from the outside, is so obviously the wrong thing makes me wonder how I'd react.

I also agree with DDD - I don't want any more details. I can't imagine being the prosecutor, investigator, or jury member for this case and having to listen to every detail. It will change their lives, and not in a good way.

This is also a wake-up call for me as a parent: it's hard to be too cautious, and always better to err on the side of over-protective.

[jay santos]

This is also a wake-up call for me as a parent: it's hard to be too cautious, and always better to err on the side of over-protective.

This should settle the no-sleepover debate.

[myboynoah]

This should settle the no-sleepover debate.

I would have thought Michael Jackson would have ended that one.

Oh wait, he was Michael Jackson and is still revered by millions worldwide.

People are lining up to condemn PSU (rightly so), but Jackson is honored and his death mourned.

[lambdacoug]

(I still haven't figured out the ones who let go or purge themselves of the religious identity part, at great personal cost, and still can't let go of the BYU identity part.)

I don't know about you guys, but the development of my self-identity was tied strongly to sports

I grew up very strongly attached to BYU sports. Took a lot of heat in school, in MO, for being a BYU fan. Had a lot of people say a lot of good and bad about me and BYU football. Ask anyone in my HS class of 900+ what sports team atheistcougar was a fan of, and they would all say BYU. I'll spare you all the details, no one cares anyway, but that is why. I identified with BYU football far more than I did with the religion itself. They are supposed to be separate, right? So I figure why sweat it and just support the team I've always loved.

[lambdacoug]

This should settle the no-sleepover debate.

Ever since my divorce I have not allowed my girls to have friends over for overnights. This has been the source of no small amount of angst.

[LA Ute]

I also agree with DDD - I don't want any more details. I can't imagine being the prosecutor, investigator, or jury member for this case and having to listen to every detail. It will change their lives, and not in a good way.

I'm in the same boat. I haven't even read the grand jury report, and don't intend to. Ths reminds me of a time when I was young and had an offer to join the L.A. District Attorney's office. I asked one of the veterans if the job had changed him Because of all he had seen. He told me it had, and not for the better. That was a big reason for my decision to go another direction.

This is also a wake-up call for me as a parent: it's hard to be too cautious, and always better to err on the side of over-protective.

So true.

[Mormon Red Death]

I've had similar feelings. As I said earlier, I'd like to think I'd do the right thing, but seeing others do what, from the outside, is so obviously the wrong thing makes me wonder how I'd react.

I also agree with DDD - I don't want any more details. I can't imagine being the prosecutor, investigator, or jury member for this case and having to listen to every detail. It will change their lives, and not in a good way.

This is also a wake-up call for me as a parent: it's hard to be too cautious, and always better to err on the side of over-protective.

My wake up call as a parent is that I need to instill in my kids that they always do the right thing even if the consequences could be bad (getting fired for example).

[TripletDaddy]

Sandusky faces 460 years. My guess is that all of it will be in ad-seg or else he will be killed very quickly.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...scandal-111011

[TripletDaddy]

Top PSU HS recruit sez: On second thought.....pass.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...-school-111011

I don't see how PSU can recruit this season or in the near future. What do you say when you go to the kids house this winter? What do you tell the parents? You can't even tell them basic stuff like who the head coach will be next year, who will be on the coaching staff, or whether there will be NCAA fallout. Not to mention everything related to the development and safety of the recruit.

[jay santos]

My wake up call as a parent is that I need to instill in my kids that they always do the right thing even if the consequences could be bad (getting fired for example).

This is my takeaway as well. We are already pretty protective as far as aware of potentially risky situations. What has really had me thinking is the actions of McQueary and Paterno and others who chose their personal comfort over doing the right thing. I think we'll have an FHE on that topic.

[Flystripper]

Top PSU HS recruit sez: On second thought.....pass.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...-school-111011

I don't see how PSU can recruit this season or in the near future. What do you say when you go to the kids house this winter? What do you tell the parents? You can't even tell them basic stuff like who the head coach will be next year, who will be on the coaching staff, or whether there will be NCAA fallout. Not to mention everything related to the development and safety of the recruit.

Penn State is screwed. Not only the athletic department, but also the entire university is going to feel this in a big way. Donations will slow, top faculty could leave, good luck attracting the best up-and-coming faculty, good luck attracting the best and brightest students, good luck on attracting student athletes. Basically if you have options you are not going to choose PSU for many years.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Penn State is screwed. Not only the athletic department, but also the entire university is going to feel this in a big way. Donations will slow, top faculty could leave, good luck attracting the best up-and-coming faculty, good luck attracting the best and brightest students, good luck on attracting student athletes. Basically if you have options you are not going to choose PSU for many years.

The civil suits alone will bankrupt the school.

[Coach McGuirk]

good luck attracting the best and brightest students.

This appears to have already been a problem.

[Flystripper]

This appears to have already been a problem.

point take but I know there is a cuffer that was/is there and I wouldn't want to throw him in that group.