Penn State pedophilia

[MartyFunkhouser]

I might think about it differently for the reason that this could make a boy struggle with issues of his sexuality in a way that it would not make a girl. Not that either is acceptable by any stretch, but if you assume a homosexuality percentage of two percent of the population, what you have is a boy who is being raped in a way that is not only wrong period, it's actually countersexual most people's actual sexual preferences. That probably makes for a different crisis in terms of sexual identity. Different, not worse.

Please note that I do not say worse. I am saying different. Rape of a child is rape no matter what the gender/sexual orientation of the child but the impacts may be different. Not worse; different. My point is that it hard to generalize. Not that one or the other is worse, because certainly rape of a 10 year old girl by a male, while technically probabilistically not countersexual in type, brings with it a whole different set of sexual identity crises. I want to be very clear in saying that we may be justified in taking differing approaches in dealing with the effects. Perps in either case should be staked out over an anthill in the sun and left for buzzard food.

I agree that the affect may be different for a boy or a girl. I guess I'm trying to say that I wouldn't think any differently about what should be done with the perpetrator whether the victim is male or female. I also don't think whether the victim is male or female should have changed the responses of the individuals that were aware of the abuse.

[Paperback Writer]

As if that makes a difference.

You're the one wanting to join the Cornhusker fan club despite "a longtime hatred of NU". Suggesting that Nebraska would consider boycotting a game against their designated cross-division rival in the Huskers inaugural season in the Big Ten is idiotic - short of a mandate from Jim Delany. Not to mention the relationship between Tom Osborne and Joe Paterno...

So you fail any basic test of "becomming their [Nebraska's] newest fan". In other words, we don't want you - it does make a difference.

[lambdacoug]

You're the one wanting to join the Cornhusker fan club despite "a longtime hatred of NU". Suggesting that Nebraska would consider boycotting a game against their designated cross-division rival in the Huskers inaugural season in the Big Ten is idiotic - short of a mandate from Jim Delany. Not to mention the relationship between Tom Osborne and Joe Paterno...

So you fail any basic test of "becomming their [Nebraska's] newest fan". In other words, we don't want you - it does make a difference.

Believing that the suggestion to boycott the game against PSU was more than a thought exercise is idiotic.

Hell, even thinking it was a suggestion is idiotic.

[BoylenOver]

If you were talking about a girl that was 14+ years of age and showed some signs of sexual a maturity, it would be less shocking. With a 10 year old though, I'm not any more or less shocked if it is a boy or girl.

It's less shocking to me because, while equally as horrible, male-on-female rape is much more prevalent, and there are more controls in place. If I see Sandusky raping a little girl in the shower, it's an awful, evil thing, but I know there was never a sliver of justification for why they were in a shower together. If I walk in on Sandusky raping a little boy, I think my mind would try to cope by justifying why they were in a shower together.

That's just me. I hope it doesn't minimize how I feel about rape, because sexual abuse and assault is damaging regardless of age or gender.

[Pheidippides]

I agree that the affect may be different for a boy or a girl. I guess I'm trying to say that I wouldn't think any differently about what should be done with the perpetrator whether the victim is male or female. I also don't think whether the victim is male or female should have changed the responses of the individuals that were aware of the abuse.

Yes - and I didn't misunderstand you. You just got me thinking about things differently. Everything I said is relevant only for helping victims. Not for reporting or punishment.

It saddens me that this kind of behavior was acceptable in many cultures in the past. I sure hope we make sure it's not acceptable now.

[LA Ute]

I think that is LA Ute's point. He is asking if the fact is that it was a boy has played into the lack of action by some of the principal folks in this disaster.

Yes, that is the aspect I was thinking about. I don't see a difference, personally. Both crimes are equally horrible, just in different ways.

[UtahDan]

Yes, that is the aspect I was thinking about. I don't see a difference, personally. Both crimes are equally horrible, just in different ways.

Yes. And I think as men we are naturally more protective of women and less sympathetic to other men or boys. But when you stop and think about why you might incline that way, it completely falls apart. I agree with your statement 100%.

[Cougarmandias]

That's true, but I'm not ready to completely believe it because the conspiracy grows larger and becomes less plausible. It's one thing for other programs to hear about Sandusky and decide to stay away from him, but it's another thing for a pimping operation to be in place because that involves more boys, more parents, more communications that can be uncovered and none of it was revealed in the grand jury report.

I'm certainly not saying it couldn't have happened, but right now it's just a rumor.

Got to be an exaggeration.

But if Pen State helped to cover up molestation in return for Sandusky going quietly, that's enough to terminate the sports program or some other death penalty equivalent.

I remember being shocked when I read back in the heyday of the priest pedophilia stuff that the public schools had an abuse rate equal to the Catholics. But I never expected it in a respected university, in connection to the football program.

[CJF]

I haven't followed this thread very closely so this might have been discussed already. I just heard that McQueary is the recruiting coordinator. If he recruited me to go to school and play at Penn State knowing what has happened there I would pissed right now. All other parts of this aside, no way he can have credibility with those guys. Sandusky was there last week. To be recruiting kids into that kind of environment is disturbing and disgusting.

[Blueintheface]

I haven't followed this thread very closely so this might have been discussed already. I just heard that McQueary is the recruiting coordinator. If he recruited me to go to school and play at Penn State knowing what has happened there I would pissed right now. All other parts of this aside, no way he can have credibility with those guys. Sandusky was there last week. To be recruiting kids into that kind of environment is disturbing and disgusting.

You have to think current players will be transferring in droves as well as already pledged recruits.

[CJF]

You have to think current players will be transferring in droves as well as already pledged recruits.

I would hope the NCAA allows them to transfer without penalty, like they did with USC upperclassmen.

[BoylenOver]

Boy, I don't know how I could hate Craig James more, but his comments about Paterno and Penn St are so out of touch and misdirected, it makes my blood boil.

[DU Ute]

Boy, I don't know how I could hate Craig James more, but his comments about Paterno and Penn St are so out of touch and misdirected, it makes my blood boil.

Link? What did he say?

[landpoke]

Link? What did he say?

Man I wish this was in a thread that wasn't so serious so we could talk about Craig James and the 5 hookers.

[BoylenOver]

Link? What did he say?

I'm very loosely paraphrasing, but he said the players should use Paterno's firing as motivation, and that the Todd Blackledges, the Kerry Collins, the Ki-Jana Carters are all in full support of them. He also talked about how Paterno was Penn St "when I covered Penn St in the mid-90's, and even when I was a player in the '80's".

Even when you remove his involvement in the Mike Leach firing, his comments were just pure bullshit.