Penn State pedophilia

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Exactly. That is something very troubling about this story and it's hard to know what to make of it. A graduate assistant, probably recently graduated form playing DI football, sees a kid being raped by a middle aged man in a locker room at Penn State, and runs away (albeit horrified?)? Why wasn't he physically attacking the abuser, condemning him, and yelling for help?

It's hard to say how you would react to a situation like this if you stumbled on it. We lived under members in one of the areas of my mission. My companion and I came home (I was still pretty new) around 8:30 or 9 and we heard the husband yelling at his wife and his wife was screaming and we heard what we thought were slapping sounds. We made our presence known by slamming our door and trying to be as loud as possible.

We immediately called our mission president and I'm not sure exactly what he did at that point, but I believe he called the local stake president. Missionaries had been living in that basement for years and for all we knew, this was the first time something like this had happened.

I felt some guilt for not having charged into the home and I expressed this to the MP. He told us that wouldn't have been a good idea (who knows if the situation escalates beyond merely pulling the man away and weapons become involved), but that if it ever happened again we were to call the police.

The problem with entering the house and having it become a physical altercation is that we would have quite possibly been arrested by the police in a foreign, though first world, country and quite possibly kicked out of the country. Our slamming the door underneath seemed to put a stop to it.

[SeattleUte]

And is now the receiver coach with full consent of Mr. Paterno. Any who defend Mr. Paterno lack moral courage.

Actually, it seems to me the easy thing to do right now is condemn Paterno.

[lambdacoug]

It's hard to say how you would react to a situation like this if you stumbled on it. We lived under members in one of the areas of my mission. My companion and I came home (I was still pretty new) around 8:30 or 9 and we heard the husband yelling at his wife and his wife was screaming and we heard what we thought were slapping sounds. We made our presence known by slamming our door and trying to be as loud as possible.

We immediately called our mission president and I'm not sure exactly what he did at that point, but I believe he called the local stake president. Missionaries had been living in that basement for years and for all we knew, this was the first time something like this had happened.

I felt some guilt for not having charged into the home and I expressed this to the MP. He told us that wouldn't have been a good idea (who knows if the situation escalates beyond merely pulling the man away and weapons become involved), but that if it ever happened again we were to call the police.

The problem with entering the house and having it become a physical altercation is that we would have quite possibly been arrested by the police in a foreign, though first world, country and quite possibly kicked out of the country. Our slamming the door underneath seemed to put a stop to it.

Fighting adults and what sounded like spousal abuse is a far cry from witnessing the rape of a child.

[TripletDaddy]

Actually, it seems to me the easy thing to do right now is condemn Paterno.

Agreed. Once JoePa testified about his adherence to the lowest legal standard, admitting his inaction, it became very easy to condemn him.

[creekster]

Actually, it seems to me the easy thing to do right now is condemn Paterno.

Is it ok to condemn and criticize others that were involved?

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpo...&postcount=102

[SeattleUte]

Is it ok to condemn and criticize others that were involved?

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpo...&postcount=102

Condemn away. I was responding to a cougarboarder who said it was the most morally courageous thing to join the masses condemning Paterno, as if that were a thing to do that took courage.

As for my comment about the graduate assistant, I am just asking questions. You could draw any number of conclusions from the fact that he didn't intervene (which it seems to me would not have taken an enormous amount of courage, considering the graduate assistant was himself apparenlty a former football player and a lot younger Sandusky, and presumably he could have called for help; I would hope any one of us would do it automatically with hardly a thought for our physical well-being; this is not too far off from watching a child be slowly killed). The whole scenario seems very strange to me, there are gaps and illogical kinks in the narrative.

I haven't even heard exactly what Paterno was told by the graduate assistant, who seems to me quite an enigmatic character in all of this. Maybe somone who has read the grand jury report can enlighten me.

[SeattleUte]

Agreed. Once JoePa testified about his adherence to the lowest legal standard, admitting his inaction, it became very easy to condemn him.

What was Paterno told?

[TripletDaddy]

Support for JoePa among the PSU BOT eroding

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...eroding-110811

Joe Paterno's support among the Penn State board of trustees was described as ''eroding'' Tuesday, threatening to end the 84-year-old coach's career amid a child sex-abuse scandal involving a former assistant and one-time heir apparent.

A person familiar with the trustees' discussions and who used the term ''eroding'' said it was unclear what the consequences for Paterno will be and that a decision could be rendered before the board meets on Friday.

Penn State President Graham Spanier also has lost support among the Board of Trustees, the person said, but again, how much was unclear.

Pennsylvania state police Commissioner Frank Noonan said Monday in Harrisburg that Paterno fulfilled his legal requirement when he relayed to university administrators that a graduate assistant had seen Sandusky attacking a young boy in the team's locker room shower in 2002. But the commissioner also questioned whether Paterno had a moral responsibility to do more.

''Somebody has to question about what I would consider the moral requirements for a human being that knows of sexual things that are taking place with a child,'' Noonan said.

''I think you have the moral responsibility, anyone. Not whether you're a football coach or a university president or the guy sweeping the building. I think you have a moral responsibility to call us.''

[creekster]

Condemn away. I was responding to a cougarboarder who said it was the most morally courageous thing to join the masses condemning Paterno, as if that were a thing to do that took courage.

As for my comment about the graduate assistant, I am just asking questions. You could draw any number of conclusions from the fact that he didn't intervene (which it seems to me would not have taken an enormous amount of courage, considering the graduate assistant was himself apparently a former football player and a lot younger Sandusky, and presumably he could have called for help; I would hope any one of us would do it automatically with hardly a thought for our physical well-being; this is not too far off from watching a child be slowly killed). The whole scenario seems very strange to me, there are gaps and illogical kinks in the narrative.

I haven't even heard exactly what Paterno was told by the graduate assistant, who seems to me quite an enigmatic character in all of this. Maybe somone who has read the grand jury report can enlighten me.

I think you make my earlier point quite nicely here. We can discuss this and reach our own conclusions based upon the available information. It is neither courageous nor cowardly to do so nor to fail to do so. This is, after all, a discussion board.

Like you, I am shocked and disgusted that the GA did not intervene. I find it preposterous to suppose he would have been in any physical danger. Sandusky was not in a position to give chase and the GA's mere lingering presence would almost certainly have interrupted the act from continuing.

[BoylenOver]

Unconfirmed twitter rumors that Paterno told his team today he's resigning.

https://twitter.com/psulions09/statu...48001256722434

PSULions09: So supposedly Joe announced to the team that he's resigning. #PSUscandal

[SeattleUte]

Support for JoePa among the PSU BOT eroding

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...eroding-110811

The irony of you of all people, a deeply religious college football fanatic and BYU fan, dancing on his grave, is crushing me. You don't seem to have much self-awareness. The winningest coach ever. Iconic. Yes, a lot like Ratzinger.

[Devildog]

This whole thing goes beyond Paterno.

This has brought shame to the entire University. Paterno is the face of Penn State Football, obviously the public outrage will land on him... but it will continue on past him too.

Child rape is as bad as it can get.

This entire program and university will be devastated... and from what is getting out... the administration probably should be.

What they have all in some way contributed to is beyond disgraceful.

What is worse than allegations of continuing child rape taking place over a period of years, by a trusted official that runs a charitable organization for boys... and the entire system looking the other way while he does it?

Damn, only murder allegations could rival the damage done to this program here.

This stain could affect Penn State for a very long time.

[woot]

The irony of you of all people, a deeply religious college football fanatic and BYU fan, dancing on his grave, is crushing me. You don't seem to have much self-awareness. The winningest coach ever. Iconic. Yes, a lot like Ratzinger.

You doing ok, SU? I suppose this isn't out of character, but your insistence on trying to make this discussion about other posters seems weird. Maybe it's just the horrific nature of the case that makes these attempts seem especially petty.

[Tone Loc]

You doing ok, SU? I suppose this isn't out of character, but your insistence on trying to make this discussion about other posters seems weird. Maybe it's just the horrific nature of the case that makes these attempts seem especially petty.

No kidding. He seems more concerned about some old mans reputation than the fact that said old man could have stopped this evil monster in his tracks. Oh well, we all have our priorities.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Out Kick the Coverage, talked with the prosecutor today.
http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/to...te-paterno.php

About Paterno he said

When asked if he believed Penn State coach Joe Paterno would be named as a defendant in any civil lawsuit, Anderson tiptoed around the issue. "That remains to be seen," he said, "For now we have to wait on more details from our investigation."