The Heaps Reclamation Project

[Coach McGuirk]

He might be with you given your frequently crossed paths if not for the fact this is 99% entertainment for us... it's a small world in your field in the gigantic state of Utah...but all is not lost; alas, we are staunch believers in feudalism and Papa Viking needs serfs like you

i mean, how can you not know that we goad you constantly by now??

You are a sad little bitch.

[Viking]

You are a sad little bitch.

you guys are all too easy.

[Shaka]

Blame is as follows:

75% Doman
20% Bronco
5% Heaps

The número UNO QB recruit in the country, who starts and plays better than any other freshman QB in the history of BYU, doesn't make it to his Jr year. Unreal.

What a weird turn of events.

I would allocate it like this:

Heaps 75%
Bronco/Doman 25%

I thought about assigning some blame to Jake's parental units/QB Guru but I'll just fold them in with Jake.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Does it really matter what kind of relative it was? It is one thing to see that kind of info/gossip on a message board, but to put it in an article in the DNews by the primary BYU beat reporter is just unbelievable. It will be interesting to see if it is in the print edition in the morning.

Dick is a small-time fish hack.

The paragraph in question is still there in the print edition, but they added "(not his mother and father)".

[Flystripper]

Something needed to be done about the OC/QB coach dynamic last year, but I think Bronco seriously misjudged this one. Doman may turn into a good coach with some more seasoning, but he is not there now, and it appears that his behavior and judgement lack long-term perspective. Heaps leaving is only one symptom of the issues that this team has.

I think we would be able to mark the beginning of the end of the Bronco tenure with the decision to go with Doman over Anae if we didn't have a schedule full of cupcakes due to independence.

No wonder Bronco likes our lack of conference affiliation! It will save him his job for as long as he wants it.

Don't worry though, BYU will win 8 games or so next year and the issues won't be addressed. The question I ask myself is, will I care next year? Eventually I will stop caring. I wonder how long it will take.

[Shaka]

There's not doubt Doman is experiencing growing pains. Maybe he also needs to not play with the heads of the Bower type player. However he did a great job with Beck (remember Beck the head case?) and Max. Riley seems to be thriving having improved from last season to this season.

Considering that Doman already has a decent track record as a QB coach and his learning to balance dual roles I have a hard time condemning him. I actually think he deserves a little slack.

[dabrockster]

I know some have asked if there have been similar situations to what we are seeing here between Heaps and Nelson and one that I can think of off the top of my head is the Texas 3 QB situation they had earlier this year. In fact it took place during our game when they pulled Gilbert for a 2 QB system with McCoy and Ash.

Garrett Gilbert is transferring out of Texas similar to Heaps. He came in in 2010 in the BCS game and did fairly well while McCoy was hurt. Then he started the following season at Texas. He did not have a stellar year and had to compete against McCoy and Ash for the starting job this year. The was pulled in the BYU game after he was boo'd.. He then had surgery and made the decision to leave..

Texas could of stuck with him in the BYU game but Texas "like" BYU and any other program has a "Win Now" mentality and I have no problem with BYU pulling Heaps in the USU game much like Texas did to Gilbert.

Riley came in and got the win and did everything he could to get the job while Heaps failed to show his improvement (Methinks he was done with BYU once he was pulled and he saw the writing on the wall.).

I think the difference here is Texas fans got behind the QB and never looked back on Gilbert. While BYU fans (Much like the Team) has been divided on Heaps vs. Riley. This may be because Heaps was a 5* recruit (Blah Blah Blah) and Riley was not and people are looking at "What could of been" and "What if's". I don't see the point. I like that we got 9 wins and I like to see what will happen with Riley getting all the rep's and the team now fully behind him and this HS drama now removed..

But BYU is like any other program that has top recruits leave at some point. It is what it is.. BYU wanted to win and they faced lots of problems (Beyond just one other game). If they keep Heaps and he loses to USU how does the team respond to the coaches and the rest of the season. The future was unknown (No matter how many of you predict Heaps would of won those games.. One thing was for certain. The Team was not behind Heaps.. Many can blame Riley or Bronco but the fact of the matter is Heaps has to own up to the fact he did not step up as a leader on the off season.


All are to blame and now the divorce is final.. I will not care about the What if's or think the future is doomed (Man, this place is like doomsday much like when BO left.). BYU will do fine just like we did when BO left..

All is well... All is well..


http://espn.go.com/college-football/...lbert-transfer

[lambdacoug]

I'm glad to see The Hypester leave. He looked awful in every game he started, and then looked horrid against ISU of all schools. I like Nelson and his gritty play and he has obviously won the respect of the team. Jake leaving clears the way for Riley to have a lock on the starting position all through Spring and Fall, this is something he's never had and I will be interested to see how he responds. I hope Lark and Munns give him a run for the money and push him to perform even better.

[Tone Loc]

There's not doubt Doman is experiencing growing pains. Maybe he also needs to not play with the heads of the Bower type player. However he did a great job with Beck (remember Beck the head case?) and Max. Riley seems to be thriving having improved from last season to this season.

Considering that Doman already has a decent track record as a QB coach and his learning to balance dual roles I have a hard time condemning him. I actually think he deserves a little slack.

You might be right about Doman, but the evidence isnt overwhelming. It took Beck 4 years to get there. I really think if you told Heaps that he had all 4 years to just play, he would eventually get there as well. As far as Max goes, there wasnt much improvement from year to year. He even said that he wasn't prepared well enough to handle the tough man defenses that he faced, and his stats show that.

He has probably helped but how much is really hard to tell. I do think he could have tried to develop his relationship with heaps after he was yanked better. It sounds like they both acted like 15 year old girls, and decided they wouldnt talk again. I kind of expect that from Heaps but not from Doman.

The jury is still out on Doman and heaps departure will add a little pressure on him the next few years. He has put his eggs in Riley Nelsons basket for better or worse.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I know some have asked if there have been similar situations to what we are seeing here between Heaps and Nelson and one that I can think of off the top of my head is the Texas 3 QB situation they had earlier this year. In fact it took place during our game when they pulled Gilbert for a 2 QB system with McCoy and Ash.

Garrett Gilbert is transferring out of Texas similar to Heaps. He came in in 2010 in the BCS game and did fairly well while McCoy was hurt. Then he started the following season at Texas. He did not have a stellar year and had to compete against McCoy and Ash for the starting job this year. The was pulled in the BYU game after he was boo'd.. He then had surgery and made the decision to leave..

Texas could of stuck with him in the BYU game but Texas "like" BYU and any other program has a "Win Now" mentality and I have no problem with BYU pulling Heaps in the USU game much like Texas did to Gilbert.

Riley came in and got the win and did everything he could to get the job while Heaps failed to show his improvement (Methinks he was done with BYU once he was pulled and he saw the writing on the wall.).

I think the difference here is Texas fans got behind the QB and never looked back on Gilbert. While BYU fans (Much like the Team) has been divided on Heaps vs. Riley. This may be because Heaps was a 5* recruit (Blah Blah Blah) and Riley was not and people are looking at "What could of been" and "What if's". I don't see the point. I like that we got 9 wins and I like to see what will happen with Riley getting all the rep's and the team now fully behind him and this HS drama now removed..

But BYU is like any other program that has top recruits leave at some point. It is what it is.. BYU wanted to win and they faced lots of problems (Beyond just one other game). If they keep Heaps and he loses to USU how does the team respond to the coaches and the rest of the season. The future was unknown (No matter how many of you predict Heaps would of won those games.. One thing was for certain. The Team was not behind Heaps.. Many can blame Riley or Bronco but the fact of the matter is Heaps has to own up to the fact he did not step up as a leader on the off season.


All are to blame and now the divorce is final.. I will not care about the What if's or think the future is doomed (Man, this place is like doomsday much like when BO left.). BYU will do fine just like we did when BO left..

All is well... All is well..


http://espn.go.com/college-football/...lbert-transfer

IIRC, Gilbert was also the #1 QB coming out of HS.

[dabrockster]

IIRC, Gilbert was also the #1 QB coming out of HS.

Well there you go. Their situation is just like ours..

And Texas was also breaking in a new OC this year... Came to Texas via Boise State I believe and is pretty young as well.. Was also the QB Coach..

[Shaka]

You might be right about Doman, but the evidence isnt overwhelming. It took Beck 4 years to get there. I really think if you told Heaps that he had all 4 years to just play, he would eventually get there as well. As far as Max goes, there wasnt much improvement from year to year. He even said that he wasn't prepared well enough to handle the tough man defenses that he faced, and his stats show that.

He has probably helped but how much is really hard to tell. I do think he could have tried to develop his relationship with heaps after he was yanked better. It sounds like they both acted like 15 year old girls, and decided they wouldnt talk again. I kind of expect that from Heaps but not from Doman.

The jury is still out on Doman and heaps departure will add a little pressure on him the next few years. He has put his eggs in Riley Nelsons basket for better or worse.

You're right about Max. I still have reservations about some aspects of his game. However I think he did a lot with the talent he had.

Beck is probably the strongest part of Doman's resume. Crowton had really messed him up (along with several other QB's). Reclaiming Beck was a pretty significant feather in Doman's cap.

[Pelado]

Well there you go. Their situation is just like ours..

And Texas was also breaking in a new OC this year... Came to Texas via Boise State I believe and is pretty young as well.. Was also the QB Coach..

Main differences are that Harsin served as OC and QB coach at Boise State prior to his new gig with Texas, where I believe he is technically a Co-Offensive Coordinator with Major Applewhite.

Doman is in his first year as an OC, and he doesn't share the title with anyone else.

So this season was probably a little less fair to Heaps than it was to Gilbert.

[dabrockster]

Main differences are that Harsin served as OC and QB coach at Boise State prior to his new gig with Texas, where I believe he is technically a Co-Offensive Coordinator with Major Applewhite.

Doman is in his first year as an OC, and he doesn't share the title with anyone else.

So this season was probably a little less fair to Heaps than it was to Gilbert.

Yes he is Co-OC but he is overseeing the QB's and a new system then the last year (When Gilbert was recruited). And lets be honest. How many of those games at Boise State do you think he was making the play calls. Zilch..

This whole less fair is hogwash. Heaps had every opportunity to lead this team and failed miserably.. He had every opportunity to be a leader and chose not too.. The team was polar opposites with Heaps vs. Riley.. You can't compare between them.

[Pelado]

Yes he is Co-OC but he is overseeing the QB's and a new system then the last year (When Gilbert was recruited). And lets be honest. How many of those games at Boise State do you think he was making the play calls. Zilch..

This whole less fair is hogwash. Heaps had every opportunity to lead this team and failed miserably.. He had every opportunity to be a leader and chose not too.. The team was polar opposites with Heaps vs. Riley.. You can't compare between them.

Harsin was calling the plays at BSU.

As for less fair, I certainly don't think that Heaps has gotten it bad, just that his situation was slightly less fair than Gilbert's situation.

Heaps was named the starter coming into this season. He had starter reps, and he had plenty of opportunities in games to show that he deserved to stay as the starter. There were a few times that he played really well - a few possessions against Ole Miss, the first half against Texas (except for the red zone), some of the Utah game - but there were a lot more moments that just left me shaking my head. When you're failing against Utah freaking State, you deserve to be pulled.

Nelson then played much better than I expected him to, and I have no problem sticking with Riley as the starter.