Nelson Bandwagon

[Jacob]

How many high profile quarterbacks are benched as sophmores, who still have a redshirt year, and then don't transfer?

I don't know. Do you? Of those that did, were they benched in favor of an underclassman? That is not the case here, and is a significant point.
How many high profile QB's that don't start their 2nd year out of HS, don't transfer. My guess is that most of them fall into this category of not transferring.

[Goatnapper'96]

Didn't something like this happen to your favorite number 9? Or was he just asked to redshirt so Marc Wilson could start?

He and Wilson shared the starting job throughout 1978. The season ended with an upset loss to the Utes and then Phil McConkey leading the Navy Midshipmen over the Y in the inauguraul Holiday Bowl. Lavell learned then that "if you don't have one starting qb, you don't have any quarterback." He asked Jimbo to RS and went with Wilson as a starter the following year, and the Y went undefeated until Brent Johnson's untimely shank against Lee "the Coach" Corso's Indiana Hoosiers.

Then Jimbo became the starter for two years and ran up the score occassionally, methinks LA Ute! can fill in those details for you.

[Goatnapper'96]

I don't know. Do you? Of those that did, were they benched in favor of an underclassman? That is not the case here, and is a significant point.
How many high profile QB's that don't start their 2nd year out of HS, don't transfer. My guess is that most of them fall into this category of not transferring.

My guess is most , i.e. greater than 50%, of the kids who earn a starting job as a freshman and or sophmore and then are benched transfer. I don't think it is in Jake's best interests to do so but certainly there is enough of a precedence of players in similar circumstances throughout college football the past few years to speculate.

[YOhio]

How many high profile quarterbacks are benched as sophmores, who still have a redshirt year, and then don't transfer?

[Jacob]

My guess is most , i.e. greater than 50%, of the kids who earn a starting job as a freshman and or sophmore and then are benched transfer. I don't think it is in Jake's best interests to do so but certainly there is enough of a precedence of players in similar circumstances throughout college football the past few years to speculate.

My guess is that almost all QBs who don't start consider transferring. It's the one position where you really don't get as much of a shot to play as all the other. I can't blame them. But most stick it out. Brandon Doman knows how that goes.

[lambdacoug]

Actually. That's not a comment on Heaps at all. Not even a little bit. Heaps wasn't even part of the conversation.

And why all this silly talk about Heaps transferring? There has been no indication that he's interested in transferring and there is no indication that he can't win back the starting job. Where is this coming from?

Right, since coaches always talk about quarterbacks that aren't afraid of getting hit. Then emphasize that the players really like a quarterback that is one of them and takes hits. Then go on to say that his QB bounces back up and isn't afraid of whoever hit him. That's totally the way coaches always talk about QBs. *eyeroll*

Heaps is afraid to get hit, that is why the players stopped rallying around him, and its why Mendenhall emphasized this while talking about Nelson. If Heaps wasn't afraid of getting hit, it wouldn't have been mentioned.

[Jacob]

Right, since coaches always talk about quarterbacks that aren't afraid of getting hit. Then emphasize that the players really like a quarterback that is one of them and takes hits. Then go on to say that his QB bounces back up and isn't afraid of whoever hit him. That's totally the way coaches always talk about QBs. *eyeroll*

Heaps is afraid to get hit, that is why the players stopped rallying around him, and its why Mendenhall emphasized this while talking about Nelson. If Heaps wasn't afraid of getting hit, it wouldn't have been mentioned.

Hmm. Interesting logic. If Bronco really has such a low opinion of Heaps that he praises Riley in an attempt to attack Heaps, I wonder why Bronco refuses to name Nelson the permanent starter?

[oxcoug]

Why does he deserve it? He's had two seasons now to show what he can do, why does he "deserve" anything? If anything, I'd say the other people that haven't had a shot deserve a shot more than a guy that had it and squandered it.

Let's be a bit more balanced here - Jake was outstanding in the second half of last year and not just against pansy defenses - he played with poise and precision in the second half against Utah, on the road against a team that was supposed to destroy us. He bought time and made tough throws for his TD pass to MJ and a few clutch vision plays on a game-winning drive that Anae killed by running Kariya straight into the line on three straight downs that lost two yards. He displayed touch, vision and accuracy throughout. He even moved the ball effectively up and down the field against Ole Miss this year, even though it didn't produce points.

So he has actually shown quite a lot given that he's still younger than any full time starter in BYU history.

This year - something got in his head. He lost his verve and his command. I don't know when it happened but the accuracy problems are mental. John Beck went through similar phases.

But basic point - let's recognize that the narrative that's formed in the minds of some (that Jake's starts have been one unbroken suckathon) is bullshit. He's shown he can do it - he's also shown that he gets rattled and loses his command of the field.

[MarkGrace]

But basic point - let's recognize that the narrative that's formed in the minds of some (that Jake's starts have been one unbroken suckathon) is bullshit. He's shown he can do it - he's also shown that he gets rattled and loses his command of the field.

Agreed. I also think that the best we've seen from Jake in his career is better than anything we've seen from Riley, which is why I wish we could find a way to get back to that and get back on track. But obviously that's a tall order right now and not really something you can do.

[lambdacoug]

Hmm. Interesting logic. If Bronco really has such a low opinion of Heaps that he praises Riley in an attempt to attack Heaps, I wonder why Bronco refuses to name Nelson the permanent starter?

Perhaps because he's learning that naming someone a tenured starter isn't always the best course of action?

Your notion of attacking is just plain wrong. (Hrrmm... I've seen this somewhere before...) Mendenhall wasn't attacking anyone, he was praising Nelson by pointing out things that he does that were missing on the team previously.

Heaps sucks donkey balls, no matter how much Heaps flavored kool-aid you have consumed.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Perhaps because he's learning that naming someone a tenured starter isn't always the best course of action?

True I can't think of one good program in college football that just comes out and names starters. Pretty much every job is open every week.

[Goatnapper'96]

He got hurt at Syracuse and had to rehab. To quote my spiritual guru Smoke-EH from the cinematic classic "Friday" "he got knocked the fuck out!"

[Surfah]

Let's be a bit more balanced here - Jake was outstanding in the second half of last year and not just against pansy defenses - he played with poise and precision in the second half against Utah, on the road against a team that was supposed to destroy us. He bought time and made tough throws for his TD pass to MJ and a few clutch vision plays on a game-winning drive that Anae killed by running Kariya straight into the line on three straight downs that lost two yards. He displayed touch, vision and accuracy throughout. He even moved the ball effectively up and down the field against Ole Miss this year, even though it didn't produce points.

So he has actually shown quite a lot given that he's still younger than any full time starter in BYU history.

This year - something got in his head. He lost his verve and his command. I don't know when it happened but the accuracy problems are mental. John Beck went through similar phases.

But basic point - let's recognize that the narrative that's formed in the minds of some (that Jake's starts have been one unbroken suckathon) is bullshit. He's shown he can do it - he's also shown that he gets rattled and loses his command of the field.

I honestly think that first corner blitz in Oxford shook something loose in his head and Jake and the coaches haven't figured out what and where it goes. He's been turtling up ever since. Both Doman and Heaps talked about that hit (which seemed rather tame to me) afterward. Doman specifically mentioned Jake's big eyes the rest of the first half.

[Katy Lied]

This year - something got in his head. He lost his verve and his command. I don't know when it happened but the accuracy problems are mental.

Jeez, does no one associate this with Doman becoming OC? Same time, same place.

[Jacob]

Jeez, does no one associate this with Doman becoming OC? Same time, same place.

Can you make an argument for how Doman's promotion to OC caused Heaps to become a less accurate passer and to develop a mental problem?