Nelson Bandwagon

[oxcoug]

Jeez, does no one associate this with Doman becoming OC? Same time, same place.

Um, maybe - not sure. I have thought the same thing as Surfah though - that something in his head went skeewompus when he got rocked w/ that blitz. I think he might have overbought into the awesomeness of his offensive line and was shaken by the (obvious) revelation that he was going to be more vulnerable than he thought and he hasn't felt comfortable in the pocket since that rude awakening.

Again, I remember Beck having a similar regression at one point. Riley's warrior mentality is a lot looser and preferable.

[Goatnapper'96]

Jeez, does no one associate this with Doman becoming OC? Same time, same place.

I think there has to be some link, but Riley's play and the improved offense push me towards believing it is something more with Jake. Now before someone comes in hyperventilating about competition level, I don't think UCF or USU were any worse on defense than USU, SJSU and OSU.

I watched a preview of the season where Doman was interviewed and I recall him talking about the differences we would see in Jake. IIRC, his biggest points were maturity with his marriage and in Doman's words "advancement in the Priesthood." I think it was hard for Doman to make that change and while I think Doman is young and competitive enough to potentially throw Jake under the bus, I really think Doman had/has a lot riding on Jake's performance. I do hope there is another act for Jake at BYU, and I think I lean to hoping it doesn't come until 2013.

[Devildog]

Now before someone comes in hyperventilating about competition level, I don't think UCF or USU were any worse on defense than USU, SJSU and OSU.

While I don't intend to hyperventilate... even mentioning the decline in competition means you acknowledge it.

If I remember correctly, I think Utah put 55 on SJSU last year, right before running into real competition and watching our offensive production fall like the stock market. BYU fans at the time were jumping all over the competition level of Utah's opponents.

[Jacob]

I watched a preview of the season where Doman was interviewed and I recall him talking about the differences we would see in Jake. IIRC, his biggest points were maturity with his marriage and in Doman's words "advancement in the Priesthood." I think it was hard for Doman to make that change and while I think Doman is young and competitive enough to potentially throw Jake under the bus, I really think Doman had/has a lot riding on Jake's performance. I do hope there is another act for Jake at BYU, and I think I lean to hoping it doesn't come until 2013.

Wow. I had the opposite reaction to hearing of Jake's marriage and the likely impact on his football.

[Goatnapper'96]

While I don't intend to hyperventilate... even mentioning the decline in competition means you acknowledge it.

If I remember correctly, I think Utah put 55 on SJSU last year, right before running into real competition and watching our offensive production fall like the stock market. BYU fans at the time were jumping all over the competition level.

Thanks for the insight how Utah put 55 on a bad SJSU team before struggling against Notre Dame and how BYU fans pointed to competition. Now I am not sure how that has anything to do with Jake Heaps playing like shit against such powerhouses as UCF and USU while Riley Nelson came in and moved the ball effortlessly against USU (I think the same USU team that Jake Heaps was playing like shit against), SJSU and Oregon State, but I would hate to fall into believing the stereotype that you Leathernecks ain't too bright. Therefore, I will allow you to help me make the linkage that I am currently unable to make.

To break it down for you: Jake Heaps sucks against teams with poor defenses - namely UCF and USU. Riley Nelson plays average to really well against teams with poor defenses - namely USU, SJSU and OSU. Hence, I conclude that right now Riley Nelson is the better qb. Do you disagree?

[smokymountainrain]

While I don't intend to hyperventilate... even mentioning the decline in competition means you acknowledge it.

If I remember correctly, I think Utah put 55 on SJSU last year, right before running into real competition and watching our offensive production fall like the stock market. BYU fans at the time were jumping all over the competition level of Utah's opponents.

Of course he mentioned the competition factor - people here have beat that to death. Funny you mention what
Utah did last year though, considering Sjsu held a pretty good hawaii offense this year, to 27 points despite a stretch where the offense turned it over on 5 consecutive possessions.

[lambdacoug]

I watched a preview of the season where Doman was interviewed and I recall him talking about the differences we would see in Jake. IIRC, his biggest points were maturity with his marriage and in Doman's words "advancement in the Priesthood."

lollerskates

Thanks to Collie we all know that if you do what's right off the field, magic happens. Makes you wonder what is going on off the field for the cougars this year...

[Goatnapper'96]

Of course he mentioned the competition factor - people here have beat that to death. Funny you mention what
Utah did last year though, considering Sjsu held a pretty good hawaii offense this year, to 27 points despite a stretch where the offense turned it over on 5 consecutive possessions.

That was the worst college football game I think I might have ever watched. It was entertaining but the two teams were not real great and I think both played rather poorly.

[Goatnapper'96]

lollerskates

Thanks to Collie we all know that if you do what's right off the field, magic happens. Makes you wonder what is going on off the field for the cougars this year...

I think that we had a meltdown at one crucial position, we are gaining some experience with a new and young offensive coaching staff, that a young defensive backfield is improving and they found a quarterback that can make them a decent team. If they can pull off an unlikely win against TCU next Friday, they will be on the verge of being an offseason rage and the hopes will be applepieinthesky-eye-eye hopoes by next August.

I, on the other hand, will be skeptical but enjoying the moment. Then I am likely to insult the lack of testicular fortitude in others when the hopes come crashing down and everyone metamorphisizes into string pulling pussies about all things Mendenhall, since Anae is no longer around to be his lightning rod. Then comes the recruiting season and it will start all over again!

In other words this is how we roll in Cougar Country.

[lambdacoug]

In other words this is how we roll in Cougar Country.

Yeah, I'm fully aware of that.

I just wish the cougars would stop mentioning shit like the "magic happens" and "football is #5 priority" and other stupid stuff. It has no impact on the product on the field. The typical cougar fan hyperventilates when religion is brought up, yet seemingly fail to realize they themselves bring it up more than anyone else.

Watching the recorded game (Couldn't watch because we were in Nauvoo...*cough*...for my sister's wedding) on Sunday with my very mormon family including visiting aunt and uncle (from West Valley) was fantastic. The twitter feed across the bottom was a source of hilarity as the UCLA EQ checked in and someone gave a shout out to so and so RM and on and on. My uncle's response was spot on, he was like "Geez, no wonder people hate us so much". All coming a bunch of BYU alums and active members (I kept my mouth shut so as to not rock the boat). *shrug*

[Devildog]

Thanks for the insight how Utah put 55 on a bad SJSU team before struggling against Notre Dame and how BYU fans pointed to competition. Now I am not sure how that has anything to do with Jake Heaps playing like shit against such powerhouses as UCF and USU while Riley Nelson came in and moved the ball effortlessly against USU (I think the same USU team that Jake Heaps was playing like shit against), SJSU and Oregon State, but I would hate to fall into believing the stereotype that you Leathernecks ain't too bright. Therefore, I will allow you to help me make the linkage that I am currently unable to make.

To break it down for you: Jake Heaps sucks against teams with poor defenses - namely UCF and USU. Riley Nelson plays average to really well against teams with poor defenses - namely USU, SJSU and OSU. Hence, I conclude that right now Riley Nelson is the better qb. Do you disagree?

Let me simplify it further for you dogface... BYU isn't good.

Riley may be better than Sheeps... but he isn't great either. The competition you guys are beating is terrible. Did you really just talk about Riley moving the ball against Utah State?

Real competition would show that Riley is only a marginally better option.

At least you guys should beat Idaho.

[lambdacoug]

Let me simplify it further for you dogface... BYU isn't good.

Yeah, we suck this year. Maybe we'll get it together for a whole game this year. I'm not entirely hopeful... The offense seems to be improving under Nelson, but the level of competition makes it hard to tell if its a false positive or not.

OSU should have been a blowout, but we managed only a whopping 3 points off of 4 turnovers... that's horrible.

[smokymountainrain]

Let me simplify it further for you dogface... BYU isn't good.

Riley may be better than Sheeps... but he isn't great either. The competition you guys are beating is terrible. Did you really just talk about Riley moving the ball against Utah State?

Real competition would show that Riley is only a marginally better option.

At least you guys should beat Idaho.

Is anybody arguing that BYU is good? Fortunately, the utes are an embarrassment as well - takes a little sting out of byu's unimpressive season.

[Devildog]

Is anybody arguing that BYU is good? Fortunately, the utes are an embarrassment as well - takes a little sting out of byu's unimpressive season.

Easy now... if you haven't gone all the way to hyperventilate yet... you are at least breathing hard.

Just pointing out the completely obvious... because it is so easily missed by many BYU fans. Including our resident ring knocker.

Edit

Remember last year when Riley couldn't do anything right and Jake was the anointed one? Anae had to go so Doman could get his boy (and choice) Heeps on the field.... wow, times sure do change.

[Blueintheface]

Easy now... if you haven't gone all the way to hyperventilate yet... you are at least breathing hard.

Just pointing out the completely obvious... because it is so easily missed by many BYU fans. Including our resident ring knocker.

Edit

Remember last year when Riley couldn't do anything right and Jake was the anointed one? Anae had to go so Doman could get his boy (and choice) Heeps on the field.... wow, times sure do change.

One day you'll care more about Utah than you will BYU. I hope that until then you take your BS over to byuhaters.net uf.n. Thanks in advance.