Alright, let's hear your Heaps assessments

[Goatnapper'96]

I think this is a pretty good summary on what happened to Jake.

I agree with that and today I predict that this experience is going to result is weeping, whining, stringpulling, gnashing of teethe and whining about Bronco and his "inability to recruit or coach or develop" 5 star recruits (WTF all that means anyway) as there is about as much chance that Bronco will treat a top tier recruit better in the future as there is that God will repeal "Thou Shalt Committ Adultery."

What I like about his point is the reality that if Jake had developed nobody would have cared about the entitlement. I find it absurd that there are those who believe there were players that wanted him to fail. They could see his ability, but they could also see that he was not living up to it. I can accept that his sucking was more frustrating to the players because of his immense potential but Ogletree would be doing him Hsaru like favors had the kid continued on the trajectory he was on December 2010.

[Shaka]

I agree with that and today I predict that this experience is going to result is weeping, whining, stringpulling, gnashing of teethe and whining about Bronco and his "inability to recruit or coach or develop" 5 star recruits (WTF all that means anyway) as there is about as much chance that Bronco will treat a top tier recruit better in the future as there is that God will repeal "Thou Shalt Committ Adultery."

What I like about his point is the reality that if Jake had developed nobody would have cared about the entitlement. I find it absurd that there are those who believe there were players that wanted him to fail. They could see his ability, but they could also see that he was not living up to it. I can accept that his sucking was more frustrating to the players because of his immense potential but Ogletree would be doing him Hsaru like favors had the kid continued on the trajectory he was on December 2010.

I have a guy at work who is going crazy about the Jake situation. I usually am not around him enough to engage in much conversation regarding BYU but today we ate breakfast together. He started off on a Hsaru like rant. I said, "3 of 66". He wondered what the hell I meant. I explained it to him and and used some of the points from the CB post I linked. He's finally starting to get it. I think most BYU fans will come around as info regarding Jake's departure comes forth.

[jay santos]

I think this is a pretty good summary on what happened to Jake.

I don't completely agree with this.

My take:

1. Jake deserved a shot at starting as a true frosh due to a) being so highly recruited b) being so experienced and developed compared to other new recruits c) graduating early and coming to school in January for offseason workouts and spring ball.

2. Jake was pretty close to terrible that first half of his frosh season, but so was Riley, and the coaches developed a good plan to help him come along, playing smashmouth and keeping him on short leash.

3. Jake did improve the second half of the season, but it might not have been as much as we thought. Looking back, he only had two games where his PER was higher than the avg our opponents allowed http://cougaruteforum.com/showpost.p...76&postcount=1 (see attached chart)

4. Jake didn't make the major improvement most college QB's make between their first and second years starting and possibly regressed (though looking at the linked chart again--I'm not sure he regressed as much as we might have two outlier good games late in his frosh season). I don't know the reason he didn't improve. Possible reasons.
a) coaches changed the offense completely and didn't give him any coaching
b) Jake didn't work hard enough in the offseason
c) Jake started off rough against tough competition and lost it mentally
d) he was never really that good his frosh year
e) Jake's poor start was a series of random unfortunate events and he was about to turn the corner

I don't know what to believe, but I'm inclined to think it's a combination of c and d, and not much of a and b. But as I mentioned, if Jake blows up in Kansas, it will give more credence to a.


5. Coaches rightly benched Jake in favor of Nelson.

6. Jake's parents riled him up and he perceived the relationship with Doman and Bronco to be irreparable and transferred.

[Shaka]

I don't completely agree with this.

My take:


a) coaches changed the offense completely and didn't give him any coaching
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Regarding a)

I believe Doman had some struggles figuring out exactly what he wanted to do. Still, I'm pretty sure there was a playbook in place in time for spring ball and available for use during summer workouts. Part of the reason off-season practice is so important is the opportunity to really gain a knowledge of the offense and get on the same page as the receivers. Isn't it possible that the path was in place for Jake but he didn't take advantage of it by showing up?

[TripletDaddy]

why are people still talking about this kid? seriously, wtf? he is gone. move on.

[Shaka]

why are people still talking about this kid? seriously, wtf? he is gone. move on.

Because we know it will annoy you and SU.

[Goatnapper'96]

Regarding a)

I believe Doman had some struggles figuring out exactly what he wanted to do. Still, I'm pretty sure there was a playbook in place in time for spring ball and available for use during summer workouts. Part of the reason off-season practice is so important is the opportunity to really gain a knowledge of the offense and get on the same page as the receivers. Isn't it possible that the path was in place for Jake but he didn't take advantage of it by showing up?

I would buy this line of thought but for the fact that BYU moved the ball relatively well for at least 1/2 of each of the first two games - playing defenses that were probably much better than they faced against in other team but TCU and Utah. I thought that Texas was a good example of Doman just being outcoached. Texas adjusted and Brandon was unable to readjust against the Texas adjustments. Jake got spooked and our offense became as impotent as a 90 year old in the Cathouse brothel sans viagara. I think there is merit that the coaching staff was part of Jake's issues.

Where my issue came with Jake is the shitty play againts UCF and USU, who had deplorable defenses as demonstrated by Riley Nelson cutting through the Aggies like they were a 45 year old adult film star. Something happened with Jake and he just fell apart. It was devestating and breathtaking all at once!

[MarkGrace]

I have a guy at work who is going crazy about the Jake situation. I usually am not around him enough to engage in much conversation regarding BYU but today we ate breakfast together. He started off on a Hsaru like rant. I said, "3 of 66". He wondered what the hell I meant. I explained it to him and and used some of the points from the CB post I linked. He's finally starting to get it. I think most BYU fans will come around as info regarding Jake's departure comes forth.

That info didn't change my opinion much, so don't get your hopes up for your buddy just yet.

[Shaka]

That info didn't change my opinion much, so don't get your hopes up for your buddy just yet.

You two are a work in progress. With a lot of soul searching and possibly some aversion therapy both of you will eventually come around.

[ERCougar]

That info didn't change my opinion much, so don't get your hopes up for your buddy just yet.

Really?
You can get away with that when you're Allen Iverson. Not so much when you're a sophomore on an old team with 4 or 5 decent games under your belt.

[Goatnapper'96]

Really?
You can get away with that when you're Allen Iverson. Not so much when you're a sophomore on an old team with 4 or 5 decent games under your belt.

I think many cannot let go of the vision they had of what Jake Heaps might become. That is what Riley will be competing against the rest of his career. If Jake doesn't develop into that at Kansas then Riley might not have to compete with that but I think we don't know what Jake will be until long after Riley's elgibility is exhausted. When many think of Jake they don't think of the USU game they think of what they were imagining after the 2010 New Mexico bowl.

[MarkGrace]

Really?
You can get away with that when you're Allen Iverson. Not so much when you're a sophomore on an old team with 4 or 5 decent games under your belt.

Is it disappointing? Sure. But I don't have enough information to know to what degree I should care about this. Is that number even accurate? I don't know. We've also heard from various people that these summer workouts are very lightly attended, and we know several other key players weren't around for them either. This historically lackadaisical mentality toward these workouts by many in the program is in my opinion a much bigger proglem than anything. I also don't think the only way a player can work and progress is in the context of these workouts, and I don't know to what extent Jake was working on his own.

If Jake hadn't progressed at all over the summer, then I would be more steamed. But there's no evidence this is the case. The kid blew through fall camp, with the coaches raving about his play and the strides he had made. Everyone in the media also talked up his fall play, with many observers saying it was the best QB play they'd seen in fall camp since Beck's senior year. I think he clearly improved noticeably from where he was at the end of last year, and even from spring ball.

Then the shit fell apart, and people needed to find a reason, so they started pointing to the summer. But the fact of the matter is that with performance, the summer is irrelevant, and his fall play indicated that the performance should have been there, regardless of what happened in the summer. So as I stated before, the thing I'm pointing as being the biggest factor (though there are admittedly many) is the coordinator. To me the scheme changes and lack of continuity with the coordinator are the biggest changes I can point to in terms of end of last year to beginning of this year, especially when he gets another two games at the end of the year running basically last year's stuff and looks pretty much the same as he did at the end of last year.

[Green Monstah]

I have a guy at work who is going crazy about the Jake situation. I usually am not around him enough to engage in much conversation regarding BYU but today we ate breakfast together. He started off on a Hsaru like rant. I said, "3 of 66". He wondered what the hell I meant. I explained it to him and and used some of the points from the CB post I linked. He's finally starting to get it. I think most BYU fans will come around as info regarding Jake's departure comes forth.

Sorry, I don't understand the reference. What does 3 of 66 mean?

[MarkGrace]

Sorry, I don't understand the reference. What does 3 of 66 mean?

Harmon said Heaps made 3 of the 66 offseason voluntary workouts.

[oxcoug]

That info didn't change my opinion much, so don't get your hopes up for your buddy just yet.

Me neither.

The 3 of 66 thing - even though I posted it in this thread - is suspect. And I did hear yesterday that Jake's offseason shoulder surgery resulted in him having to rest his shoulder for two months which makes sense .... and once you have two month you're basically looking at most or much of the summer workouts being gone.

So the answer might have been as simple as: He couldn't practice because the docs told him not to.

Maybe not, but the 3 of 66 thing made no sense at first if it was just a matter of laziness or lack of commitment - makes much more sense in the context of the operation.