Alright, let's hear your Heaps assessments

[myboynoah]

So basically, the guy sucks, but if he is good elsewhere it means nothing as he would have done it here also if he just went through the magical post sophomore redshirt year that turns sucky qbs into stars(even though he was regressing), and if he sucks elsewhere we were right all along! Gotcha.

Yes, he sucked and was benched. He could have gotten better and most assumed and hoped he would. Sadly, if that happens, Kansas will benefit, not BYU. Aside from Team Heaps, I think I'm safe in assuming that everyone else wanted Jake to stick around.

[Jarid in Cedar]

He needs an eye-patch; do you have a spare?

I don't know, let me go ask my parrot.

[Shaka]

The arguments will go nowhere even where there is new data in 2013, the "haters" have already said they won't change their mind one bit if Heaps is good elsewhere, they are arguing an argument they can't lose in their minds no matter what happens.

You won't hear Shaka saying that maybe we shouldn't have played his boy Riley if Jake somehow turns into a 1st or 2nd round draft pick, he will just be happy his boy got his moment in the sun, damn the consequences. And Jay/Viking/etc admitting they're wrong about anything? fat chance.

For the record I advocated that Heaps start this season. Also I think he should have not been a wuss and stayed.

The Heaps math is simple. Off-season work ethic poor/poor play for five games/team not following him because of a combination of previous two reasons = Riley gets his shot.

That's the way things work in sports dude. In fact things pretty much work like that in life.

Had Jake done the following we would all most likely be singing a different song:

1. Bagged or severely limited off-season activities, with the exception of marriage and honeymoon, that hampered his ability to show up for a majority of off-season workouts. This means extended vacations with his family and the in-laws (in spite of Bronco's football fifth pronouncement) take a back seat to football.

2. Performed in games. Doing number one would help number two. Alas Jake had problems other than Doman. He couldn't hit on a deep ball nor could he hit on the simplest of passes with the frequency necessary to be a decent D1 QB.

3. Integrated himself with the team and not being aloof. Again number one would help with this.


Jake should have risen to the challenge and stayed at BYU. It would have been good for him. With that said I hope he learns from his mistakes, fixes a few things, and kicks ass at Kansas.

[Shaka]

I think I'm safe in assuming that everyone else wanted Jake to stick around.

Even me who if Hsaru is to be believed, hates Jake with the fire of a thousand suns.

Jake should have faced down adversity and stayed at BYU.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Even me who if Hsaru is to be believed, hates Jake with the fire of a thousand suns.

Jake should have faced down adversity and stayed at BYU.

Is there anyone on record in wanting Heaps to transfer?

[Surfah]

Is there anyone on record in wanting Heaps to transfer?

Maybe some Utes. I think he's better off transferring and don't blame him for it. Though I didn't want him to.

[cougjunkie]

I can't believe this discussion is still on-going. Besides Hsaru I was one of the biggest Heaps homers on this board but even I am done talking about it. He is gone, mistakes were made on both sides. Riley out played him for the most part albeit against crappy competition. Riley is not a great quarterback but he is who we are stuck with moving forward.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Maybe some Utes. I think he's better off transferring and don't blame him for it. Though I didn't want him to.

FTR, most Utes were sad to see him leave. Kind of like Crowton.

[Flystripper]

I can't believe this discussion is still on-going. Besides Hsaru I was one of the biggest Heaps homers on this board but even I am done talking about it. He is gone, mistakes were made on both sides. Riley out played him for the most part albeit against crappy competition. Riley is not a great quarterback but he is who we are stuck with moving forward.

Yep. Time to move on people.

[Goatnapper'96]

Yep. Time to move on people.

I will not give up until Hsaru is forced to face and admit that the preponderance of the evidence proves that Riley Nelson was the better qb in 2011!

My name is Goatnapper and putbull is my President!

Mistakes were made on all parts but the most glaring mistakes were those made by Jake on the field. His job is to throw the ball to the guys wearing the same color shirt as him and get his team to score points. Riley Nelson was better at doing that than Jake was. Sadly, Riley Nelson is not real good at it himself.

[Indy Coug]

His job is to throw the ball to the guys wearing the same color shirt as him and get his team to score points. Riley Nelson was better at doing that than Jake was.

Riley was better at the latter but not the former.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Riley was better at the latter but not the former.

You got some stats to back that up?

Meh. Never mind.

[Goatnapper'96]

Riley was better at the latter but not the former.

That is the higher priority, unless of course the color blindness leads to points for the opponent. From my recollection the opponents got more points of TO from Jake than Riley, but clearly the disparity in athletic ability from the opponents Jake faced than Riley had more than a little to do with that unfortunate statistical loss for the Jakester.


Regardless, my goal is convince Hsaru. I concluded you were a lost case years ago. You probably still think Gary Crowton is a decent HC.

[Indy Coug]

That is the higher priority, unless of course the color blindness leads to points for the opponent. From my recollection the opponents got more points of TO from Jake than Riley

If your point is that Riley had the good fortune to cough up the ball against more impotent opponents, then I would agree. There are innumerable aspects of QB play where Riley outplayed Heaps, but ball security simply isn't one of them. Neither were exceptional, but Heaps was less bad than Nelson.

Nelson needs to keep paying whatever supernatural power that is involved with his wobblers that only seem uncatchable if it is a defender that is the one trying to pull them in. Heaven knows that Steve Young would love to have someone else known for throwing 6 INTs in a game.

[il Padrino Ute]

Maybe some Utes. I think he's better off transferring and don't blame him for it. Though I didn't want him to.

After the game in September, why would any Ute fan want him to transfer?