Non-Conference Scheduling rumors

[kccougar]

Here's a nice summary of the current scheduling situation. I think it looks feasible for the long term.

http://blog.byutvsports.com/post/BYU...ough-2023.aspx

[The_Douger]

We bought ten season tickets this year. We passed last year, and I was given tickets to Washington State and bought tickets for the Oregon State game and those were the only ones we went to.

If the tradeoff for a good road schedule is teams like Weber State and Idaho at home, then I don't think I'll be down for season tickets every year. I'm not paying what it costs to have most of the games be bad most years. We usually have bought six, but we upped it this year to try and send a message to the athletic dept that we were excited about what they put together this year. Next year we'll probably go back to six.

[byu71]

We bought ten season tickets this year. We passed last year, and I was given tickets to Washington State and bought tickets for the Oregon State game and those were the only ones we went to.

If the tradeoff for a good road schedule is teams like Weber State and Idaho at home, then I don't think I'll be down for season tickets every year. I'm not paying what it costs to have most of the games be bad most years. We usually have bought six, but we upped it this year to try and send a message to the athletic dept that we were excited about what they put together this year. Next year we'll probably go back to six.

Over on CB when this subject came up it was both amusing and frustrating to see people call you a non fan etc., because "they" would buy tickets no matter what. Yea, $19 a seat ticket and hot dogs for their 5 kids. I am not saying that isn't great, but just who the hell do they think they are criticizing someone who doesn't think the schedule is worth spending thousands for.

[Eddie]

We bought ten season tickets this year. We passed last year, and I was given tickets to Washington State and bought tickets for the Oregon State game and those were the only ones we went to.

If the tradeoff for a good road schedule is teams like Weber State and Idaho at home, then I don't think I'll be down for season tickets every year. I'm not paying what it costs to have most of the games be bad most years. We usually have bought six, but we upped it this year to try and send a message to the athletic dept that we were excited about what they put together this year. Next year we'll probably go back to six.

Home games from the last 5 seasons in the MWC:

2010
Washington
Nevada
SDSU
Wyoming
UNLV
UNM

2009
FSU
CSU
USU
TCU
AFA
Utah

2008
Northern Iowa
UCLA
Wyoming
UNM
UNLV
SDSU

2007
Arizona
AFA
Eastern Washington
CSU
TCU
Utah

2006
Tulsa
USU
SDSU
UNLV
Wyoming
UNM


I know what you're saying about wanting to have a good schedule. But in all honesty - I'm not sure that years that aren't as great as this one will necessarily be worse than the MWC years. Teams like Wyoming, UNM, UNLV, etc. aren't great competition, and BYU was scheduling Eastern Washington and Northern Iowa with the MWC schedule. TCU left the MWC and wasn't going to be on future schedules. So it looks like if BYU can get one BCS team on the home schedule each year they are coming out ahead in that regard. If they can get a couple of teams that are at least midlevel MWC - then anything else is gravy.

I understand wanting a good schedule. And I understand that people complained back when BYU was in the MWC too. But I just don't see independence as all that much of a failure when the reality is that at worst schedules aren't going to be much worse than they've always been - mostly average - but with potential for much better years mixed in.

[byu71]

Home games from the last 5 seasons in the MWC:

2010
Washington
Nevada
SDSU
Wyoming
UNLV
UNM

2009
FSU
CSU
USU
TCU
AFA
Utah

2008
Northern Iowa
UCLA
Wyoming
UNM
UNLV
SDSU

2007
Arizona
AFA
Eastern Washington
CSU
TCU
Utah

2006
Tulsa
USU
SDSU
UNLV
Wyoming
UNM


I know what you're saying about wanting to have a good schedule. But in all honesty - I'm not sure that years that aren't as great as this one will necessarily be worse than the MWC years. Teams like Wyoming, UNM, UNLV, etc. aren't great competition, and BYU was scheduling Eastern Washington and Northern Iowa with the MWC schedule. TCU left the MWC and wasn't going to be on future schedules. So it looks like if BYU can get one BCS team on the home schedule each year they are coming out ahead in that regard. If they can get a couple of teams that are at least midlevel MWC - then anything else is gravy.

I understand wanting a good schedule. And I understand that people complained back when BYU was in the MWC too. But I just don't see independence as all that much of a failure when the reality is that at worst schedules aren't going to be much worse than they've always been - mostly average - but with potential for much better years mixed in.

I agree with you, it isn't a failure and overall definitely better than what we had.

I don't know if anything could have even been done, like getting into the BIG12. My only point is that when it comes to providing the local fans and season ticket holders real value, Utah has whoever the hot Country and Western female singer is now and BYU has Tammy Wynette.

[Goatnapper'96]

I got into a conversation with a Ute fan here in the office yesterday. He was asking my feelings about the 2 for 1's because his two devoted BYU brothers were talking about it with him. They were telling him they just don't see how scheduling at home games will be good on a consistent basis. We might get a home schedule like the one coming up once every 3-4 years with the other years looking average to bad.

Overall as far as money goes, exposure, BYUTV, BYU control, the Independence thing is probably dang good. For the ticket buying fan who goes to see good competition, it sucks.

They expressed the same plan I have. Buy tickets in the good year and skip the bad ones as far as home scheduling goes. You will still have over 50,000, maybe 60,000 in the bad years.

The problem is long term. Over the next 20 years you will lose a lot of the "avid" local fans. They will become TV fans just like the majority of fans outside of the state of Utah are. I probably won't be around to see it, but if, and it is a huge if, Utah ends up in the upper echelon of the PAC12, 20 years from now BYU will not only be little brother, we will be "baby" brother.

I am not convinced it is any worse that what BYU could have had under any other circumstances as far as pure quality. I do think that an argument could be made that BYU has fewer of the mid tier games versus solid clubs like Air Force or SDSU. Take last year for example BYU played a very good Pac team in OSU, a shitty Pac team in WSU, a good WAC USU, a crappy WAC team in Hawaii, another crappy WAC team in Idaho (in which the game left such an impression on me that I had forgotten they played), and WSU. That is arguably 2 good games, one decent and 3 sucky. I think the only thing that will improve BYU's home scheduling woes is when BYU goes to the Big 12. If BYU had stayed in the MWC the home schedule would suck as much as it does now - perhaps the emotional appeal of the familiar teams might mean more than pounding Idaho into oblivion, but did anyone get charged up more for the Hawaii game than the Idaho game?

Saying that the road schedules are pretty fun in Independence.

[The_Douger]

Home games from the last 5 seasons in the MWC:

I know what you're saying about wanting to have a good schedule. But in all honesty - I'm not sure that years that aren't as great as this one will necessarily be worse than the MWC years. Teams like Wyoming, UNM, UNLV, etc. aren't great competition, and BYU was scheduling Eastern Washington and Northern Iowa with the MWC schedule. TCU left the MWC and wasn't going to be on future schedules. So it looks like if BYU can get one BCS team on the home schedule each year they are coming out ahead in that regard. If they can get a couple of teams that are at least midlevel MWC - then anything else is gravy.

I understand wanting a good schedule. And I understand that people complained back when BYU was in the MWC too. But I just don't see independence as all that much of a failure when the reality is that at worst schedules aren't going to be much worse than they've always been - mostly average - but with potential for much better years mixed in.

TH said to give him some time and the schedules would improve as an independentm, ESPN is always trying to set up deals, etc. So, I guess I've always felt like better home schedules would be part of losing the security that comes with being in a conference.

And I get what you're saying. Sometimes I just think they're kind of selling the paying home fans downstream in the name of playing fun neutral and big road games, and that can't always be the model. I can deal with some bad schedules if we get some that are like this year at home. I'm irritated the Irish haven't been nailed down to a date in LES yet.

I used to think an invite to the Big 12 would come out of the blue, but at this point it looks like we're in this for the long haul, and I'll readily state that I was wrong about it being better than the MWC, because I do like it better than the MWC. Long term, I really just want BYU in a Big 5 conference because it's become obvious they're going to break away, and I'm not sure BYU will be included in that scenario.

[The_Douger]

I am not convinced it is any worse that what BYU could have had under any other circumstances as far as pure quality. I do think that an argument could be made that BYU has fewer of the mid tier games versus solid clubs like Air Force or SDSU. Take last year for example BYU played a very good Pac team in OSU, a shitty Pac team in WSU, a good WAC USU, a crappy WAC team in Hawaii, another crappy WAC team in Idaho (in which the game left such an impression on me that I had forgotten they played), and WSU. That is arguably 2 good games, one decent and 3 sucky. I think the only thing that will improve BYU's home scheduling woes is when BYU goes to the Big 12. If BYU had stayed in the MWC the home schedule would suck as much as it does now - perhaps the emotional appeal of the familiar teams might mean more than pounding Idaho into oblivion, but did anyone get charged up more for the Hawaii game than the Idaho game?

Saying that the road schedules are pretty fun in Independence.

I mean, I like playing Hawaii because I grew up watching that matchup every year. I feel a lot more for them than Idaho, and maybe even USU. I wish the Hawaii series continued. Norm Chow is such a pussy.

We essentially played the WAC at home, a 1aa, Oregon State, and one of the worst D1 teams in the nationl in WSU. I think that was a bad schedule, worse than most MWC years. USU kind of bailed it out because they were good, but how often has that happened?

I have found myself going to more road games since we've gone independent, and it's been fun to get together with friends that live in other parts of the country for those.

[Goatnapper'96]

TH said to give him some time and the schedules would improve as an independentm, ESPN is always trying to set up deals, etc. So, I guess I've always felt like better home schedules would be part of losing the security that comes with being in a conference.

And I get what you're saying. Sometimes I just think they're kind of selling the paying home fans downstream in the name of playing fun neutral and big road games, and that can't always be the model. I can deal with some bad schedules if we get some that are like this year at home. I'm irritated the Irish haven't been nailed down to a date in LES yet.

I used to think an invite to the Big 12 would come out of the blue, but at this point it looks like we're in this for the long haul, and I'll readily state that I was wrong about it being better than the MWC. Long term, I really just want BYU in a Big 5 conference because it's become obvious they're going to break away, and I'm not sure BYU will be included in that scenario.

I think if you could divorce yourself of the notion that there is a tradeoff between exposure/BYUTV and the home schedule; and that you are not really a victim of being sold down the road you would be happier.

Here is the reality: TCU and Utah left the MWC. BYU did not get an invite to the Big Boy Club. BYU was going to face the reality of a shitty home schedule no matter what they did. It was entirely unavoidable. It had nothing to do with BYU wanting to screw those of us who buy season tickets. It was the circumstances BYU could not avoid. When facing these circumstances the administration elected to go independent not because of BYUTV and screwing you, but because Independence made, in totality, the best of a real shitty situation- often however the best of a real shitty situation is still really shitty. It did not make the situation good and perhaps Holmoe should be more honest with the fans, but look at the good what Mendenhall's honesty about the dorky fans does for him I still think Jay Santos feels like he is being punched in the babymaker the moment Bronco's alarm goes off at an entirely too late hour in the day for a head FBS football coach, about the reality of the shitty situation. What Independence seems to bring, to me, is more money and a better road schedule than BYU would have in the MWC while the home schedule seems to be about status quo. It also seems to make BYU fans whine and they never seemed to do that much before!

[byu71]

Saying that the road schedules are pretty fun in Independence.

I can see how most people love Independence, especially over what we had. As a matter of fact if I hadn't made a large investment (I hate making bad investments) and hadn't been a season ticket holder for so long, I too would absolutely be in love with this new deal.

The plus's are numerous. We play a better schedule. BYU is getting tons of money so they don't need to hit up the donors as much. We get great TV coverage. I don't have to sacrifice a good golf day to watch a game, I can just TIVO it.

Last year I honestly felt some guilt in not buying tickets. I am becoming more and more comfortable with the idea I can be a great fan and not attend games in person.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I agree with you, it isn't a failure and overall definitely better than what we had.

I don't know if anything could have even been done, like getting into the BIG12. My only point is that when it comes to providing the local fans and season ticket holders real value, Utah has whoever the hot Country and Western female singer is now and BYU has Tammy Wynette.

Geez. Man up a little. This is embarrassing.

[Goatnapper'96]

Geez. Man up a little. This is embarrassing.

"Old age makes cowards of us all."

[byu71]

Geez. Man up a little. This is embarrassing.

I feel bad, but I don't understand what you mean by "man up a little". You like Tammy Wynetee? I don't mean in the old days, but currently.

[Flystripper]

I think if you could divorce yourself of the notion that there is a tradeoff between exposure/BYUTV and the home schedule; and that you are not really a victim of being sold down the road you would be happier.

Here is the reality: TCU and Utah left the MWC. BYU did not get an invite to the Big Boy Club. BYU was going to face the reality of a shitty home schedule no matter what they did. It was entirely unavoidable. It had nothing to do with BYU wanting to screw those of us who buy season tickets. It was the circumstances BYU could not avoid. When facing these circumstances the administration elected to go independent not because of BYUTV and screwing you, but because Independence made, in totality, the best of a real shitty situation- often however the best of a real shitty situation is still really shitty. It did not make the situation good and perhaps Holmoe should be more honest with the fans, but look at the good what Mendenhall's honesty about the dorky fans does for him I still think Jay Santos feels like he is being punched in the babymaker the moment Bronco's alarm goes off at an entirely too late hour in the day for a head FBS football coach, about the reality of the shitty situation. What Independence seems to bring, to me, is more money and a better road schedule than BYU would have in the MWC while the home schedule seems to be about status quo. It also seems to make BYU fans whine and they never seemed to do that much before!

Don't forget the other things independence brings! A wonderful lack of access to a post season that matters and and exhibition season like no other!


yeah yeah excuse me while I try to pull string...sorry bro its stuck and it is making me sick.

[Goatnapper'96]

Don't forget the other things independence brings! A wonderful lack of access to a post season that matters and and exhibition season like no other!


yeah yeah excuse me while I try to pull string...sorry bro its stuck and it is making me sick.

What bowl games that matter does the MWC have access to?