The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Red Legger]

Chip Brown earlier today...


(3) This rumored partnership between the ACC and the Big 12 is interesting. Are they going to gang up on the SEC and stop scheduling games with them or something? Of course, FSU/FL are obligated by law to play each other. Or is this some kind of contingency plan in case Texas/OU/Tech/OSU go west and the SEC grabs some teams from the ACC? In short, the Big 12 merges with the ACC to form a super conference and in the process gets rid of some dead weight (e.g. Baylor, ISU, etc.) and adds new schools (e.g. BYU, ND, Pitt, etc.).

That guy is way too Tejas-centric. ISU/KSU are probably going wherever KU goes. We've all been through too much to throw someone over the side. Unlike the Missourians, KU sees the value in our 100 year old rivalries and needs as many allies as possible. Tejas can shove it and pay a hefty exit fee afore they start throwing that kinda weight around. Tejas needs to get OU back on board and convince the Utah Cougars this thing can work or they can kiss the LHN good-bye. The only way the LHN works is thru some sort of partnership w/ the Norte. We're probably in a better position than we've been in a while.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

[myboynoah]

lol.

I like your style, Red Legger.

Yes indeed. And LA tried to run him off.

[EuropeanFootballMale]

if OU/UT are committed. Simple as that. BYU will join this week if Boren shuts his mouth and lets UT get this done. UT by the day is finding its situation more and more unstable. It needs BYU or someone like it to replace aTm pronto. Otherwise it will be forced into a Pac 16 that will go from a nice place for the Utes to a freakin nightmare.

As for the old Norte, I'm rather enjoying this. KU/ISU/KSUck will cling to the Big 12 til the bitter end collecting exit fees and damages as they come available. Then, we'll either repopulate the Big 12 and use the Fox Sports/ESPN rivalry to our advantage or we'll fold it into the Big East. It really doesn't matter. Honestly, KU/KSUck/ISU/Baylor/Mizzou could be sitting on a huge pile of money in 6 months, own the Big 12's AQ status, a number of bowl contracts and looking for some like minded partners. This four 16 team conference talk is malarkey. It may happen, but it won't last. You cannot put OU/UT/USC/Stanford/Cal in the same league. Too many egos and not enough wins. And that doesn't include OkieState/Tech trash UT/OU will drag w/ them.

Does Stanford understand how humiliating it is to fly 4 hours to OKC (losing two hours to time zone), ride a bus 2hours to Stoolwater, lodge at the Ramada Inn on the Cimmaron Turnpike, eat a pre-game meal of salsbury steak and cold peas at the Perkins, get their arse kicked in front of 10000 empty seats by a bunch of Tejas boys who scored 17s on their ACTs, have crap thrown at the bus by a bunch of orange clad fans who never went to college afore taking the two hour trip back down to OKC to fly back to Kalifornia arriving at 8am on Sunday exhausted and demoralized. Exactly how long will this conference last?

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

That's it. Kansas is now my #2.

[Uncle Ted]

So, Nik, for me, BYU is at the left side of indifference. As for Utah, in a nutshell, here is why it is special: it is the only university of it's kind in a vast five state region. I've said that Utah is a poor man's UW, but really I think it's a little more than that. You may retort that this vast five state region puts you to sleep. I can see why you might say that on some level. But one of the pleasures of moving away from your rots and getting a little older is that when you return you see your original homeland with fresh eyes. This was reinforced when I spent the past week in Jackson Hole after a 25 year absence.

Utah and CU are pretty close...

According to Forbes CU is #185 and Utah is #188. I assume being in the same conference their athletics will be pretty much the same as well. However, CU has a national championship and a Heisman trophy in its football show case. So maybe you are right about no school being like Utah within the five/six state region.

On the other hand, BYU (#136) is like UT-Austin (#138). It is no wonder these guys get along so well.

[Viking]

Didn't realize you were a TCU fan.

Honestly I wouldn't know what's happening now. I'm burned out.
But the solution isn't one team. It's to block more dissolution and get to 12

[Pheidippides]

This is fir Nik, too blue and Viking.

First, troll seems to me a supremely mindless charge. Like defaulting to profanity when you're mad as hell and the right words elude you. What is a troll? Isn't it somebody who manipulates emotions with statements he may not really hold or believe, sincerity being secondary to the objective of evoking reaction?

How could anyone doubt my sincerity? I was born a seventh generation Mormon, lived in Salt Lake or on a mission from ages 7 to 24, have family who have been BYU professors and administrators. I know a lot about BYU, and I don't like much that I know about BYU. I really don't. I'm not trolling. I actually do dislike BYU, and I'm not alone. The PAC administrators feel exactly as I do about BYU (yet, as I've said, the BYU professors are mostly amazing and good individuals). (I was actually disappointed in the hostile reaction initially by Husky alumni at Michael Young because of his BYU degree.)

So, Nik, for me, BYU is at the left side of indifference. As for Utah, in a nutshell, here is why it is special: it is the only university of it's kind in a vast five state region. I've said that Utah is a poor man's UW, but really I think it's a little more than that. You may retort that this vast five state region puts you to sleep. I can see why you might say that on some level. But one of the pleasures of moving away from your rots and getting a little older is that when you return you see your original homeland with fresh eyes. This was reinforced when I spent the past week in Jackson Hole after a 25 year absence.

Nominated for the Cuffie for "Most Condescending Hypocritical Answer To A Question Nobody Asked By The Person Least Credible to Answer It." Anything else I have to say on this topic will go in the other thread.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

if OU/UT are committed. Simple as that. BYU will join this week if Boren shuts his mouth and lets UT get this done. UT by the day is finding its situation more and more unstable. It needs BYU or someone like it to replace aTm pronto. Otherwise it will be forced into a Pac 16 that will go from a nice place for the Utes to a freakin nightmare.

As for the old Norte, I'm rather enjoying this. KU/ISU/KSUck will cling to the Big 12 til the bitter end collecting exit fees and damages as they come available. Then, we'll either repopulate the Big 12 and use the Fox Sports/ESPN rivalry to our advantage or we'll fold it into the Big East. It really doesn't matter. Honestly, KU/KSUck/ISU/Baylor/Mizzou could be sitting on a huge pile of money in 6 months, own the Big 12's AQ status, a number of bowl contracts and looking for some like minded partners. This four 16 team conference talk is malarkey. It may happen, but it won't last. You cannot put OU/UT/USC/Stanford/Cal in the same league. Too many egos and not enough wins. And that doesn't include OkieState/Tech trash UT/OU will drag w/ them.

Does Stanford understand how humiliating it is to fly 4 hours to OKC (losing two hours to time zone), ride a bus 2hours to Stoolwater, lodge at the Ramada Inn on the Cimmaron Turnpike, eat a pre-game meal of salsbury steak and cold peas at the Perkins, get their arse kicked in front of 10000 empty seats by a bunch of Tejas boys who scored 17s on their ACTs, have crap thrown at the bus by a bunch of orange clad fans who never went to college afore taking the two hour trip back down to OKC to fly back to Kalifornia arriving at 8am on Sunday exhausted and demoralized. Exactly how long will this conference last?

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

I love Red Leggar, that last paragraph about Okie State is classic.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Yes indeed. And LA tried to run him off.

He did? When?

[SeattleUte]

Utah and CU are pretty close...

According to Forbes CU is #185 and Utah is #188. I assume being in the same conference their athletics will be pretty much the same as well. However, CU has a national championship and a Heisman trophy in its football show case. So maybe you are right about no school being like Utah within the five/six state region.

On the other hand, BYU (#136) is like UT-Austin (#138). It is no wonder these guys get along so well.

That's a very strange list.

[Uncle Ted]

if OU/UT are committed. Simple as that. BYU will join this week if Boren shuts his mouth and lets UT get this done. UT by the day is finding its situation more and more unstable. It needs BYU or someone like it to replace aTm pronto. Otherwise it will be forced into a Pac 16 that will go from a nice place for the Utes to a freakin nightmare.

As for the old Norte, I'm rather enjoying this. KU/ISU/KSUck will cling to the Big 12 til the bitter end collecting exit fees and damages as they come available. Then, we'll either repopulate the Big 12 and use the Fox Sports/ESPN rivalry to our advantage or we'll fold it into the Big East. It really doesn't matter. Honestly, KU/KSUck/ISU/Baylor/Mizzou could be sitting on a huge pile of money in 6 months, own the Big 12's AQ status, a number of bowl contracts and looking for some like minded partners. This four 16 team conference talk is malarkey. It may happen, but it won't last. You cannot put OU/UT/USC/Stanford/Cal in the same league. Too many egos and not enough wins. And that doesn't include OkieState/Tech trash UT/OU will drag w/ them.

Does Stanford understand how humiliating it is to fly 4 hours to OKC (losing two hours to time zone), ride a bus 2hours to Stoolwater, lodge at the Ramada Inn on the Cimmaron Turnpike, eat a pre-game meal of salsbury steak and cold peas at the Perkins, get their arse kicked in front of 10000 empty seats by a bunch of Tejas boys who scored 17s on their ACTs, have crap thrown at the bus by a bunch of orange clad fans who never went to college afore taking the two hour trip back down to OKC to fly back to Kalifornia arriving at 8am on Sunday exhausted and demoralized. Exactly how long will this conference last?

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

LOL. I can't wait for BYU to play KU. They are my new favorite fans.

[Gaffords]

Chip Brown earlier today...



Some comments:

(1) If OU bolts to the Pac-12 or something then they may have to do it alone. I wonder how not having Texas tag alone will influence their decision.

(2) It seems the Texas legislature has no plans at the moment to do anything according comments in the NYT article. It seems now that Chip is no longer stating the legislature will get involved as he stated before.

(3) This rumored partnership between the ACC and the Big 12 is interesting. Are they going to gang up on the SEC and stop scheduling games with them or something? Of course, FSU/FL are obligated by law to play each other. Or is this some kind of contingency plan in case Texas/OU/Tech/OSU go west and the SEC grabs some teams from the ACC? In short, the Big 12 merges with the ACC to form a super conference and in the process gets rid of some dead weight (e.g. Baylor, ISU, etc.) and adds new schools (e.g. BYU, ND, Pitt, etc.).

I was wondering when Daddy ESPN was going to get involved. It sounds like he is starting to speak now.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Also, I should have said a vast six state region, adding New Mexico.

Lol, New Mexico shares more of a border with Texas, Colorado and Arizona. While you're at it, why don't you include Hawaii, Alaska and West Virginia.

[Uncle Ted]

I was wondering when Daddy ESPN was going to get involved. It sounds like he is starting to speak now.

Yep, I have said this a few times. It would not be wise for BYU and UT to bite the hand that feeds them. If it wasn't for ESPN BYU wouldn't be an independent right now and Texas wouldn't have a $300M network.

[LA Ute]

Yes indeed. And LA tried to run him off.

I have never tried to run anyone off. What a foul accusation.

I did think for a while that RedLegger was an imposter. I have since become a fan and withdraw and repudiate any suspicions I may have expressed about him during last year's trying time (I haven't expressed any such suspicions during this year's trying time).

He did? When?

Don't be so quick to believe mbn. He's a shifty fellow.

[tooblue]

Don't be so quick to believe mbn. He's a shifty fellow.

It's those beady eyes ... or his MVP performance during last year's trying time.