The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[tooblue]

You are 100% correct.. The most likely fallout will be some sort of scheduling deal between B1G and the PAC12. The B1G already makes crazy money. They could go after USC/UCLA/Oregon & Washington but that's unlikely

Unlikely? They already have two teams on the east coast. Imagine having two teams (or more) on the west coast resulting in a truly American continent conference. The BIG could offer a network coast to coast eyeballs!

[Jeff Lebowski]

I don't understand why the SEC adding Oklahoma and Texas means that the B1G or the Pac 12 need to do something. They already have much bigger markets than the SEC. They are already teeming with interesting teams. We always knew the Big 12 was broken. The B1G and Pac 12 have cultural cohesion. Seems to me they need to stick to their knitting and work on improving their existing teams and TV deals. How am I wrong? (I wouldn't mind Kansas's basketball team in the Pac 12.) I think this may just be a cluster of idiot sportswriters.

Cultural cohesion. Lol.

The SEC has the highest attendance and the highest TV ratings - by a mile. Add in Texas and OU and the gap will be astronomical.

P12 tv ratings and competitiveness have been on a long steady decline. Enjoy your cultural cohesion but that will have zero bearing on TV deals.

[Bo Diddley]

At some point the SEC will come knocking on the door of some of the PAC teams carrying their conference if the B1G doesn't first.

[Mormon Red Death]

Unlikely? They already have two teams on the east coast. Imagine having two teams (or more) on the west coast resulting in a truly American continent conference. The BIG could offer a network coast to coast eyeballs!

IMO its much more likely they go south than west.

[tooblue]

IMO its much more likely they go south than west.

This is all about tv money and nothing else. Imagine the negotiating power of a 16 team conference that can offer you teams playing in every time zone. Plus two of those teams are in Hollywood ...

[originalsocal]

Cultural cohesion. Lol.

The SEC has the highest attendance and the highest TV ratings - by a mile. Add in Texas and OU and the gap will be astronomical.

P12 tv ratings and competitiveness have been on a long steady decline. Enjoy your cultural cohesion but that will have zero bearing on TV deals.

Cultural cohesion. Sounds racist.

[Moliere]

Cultural cohesion. Lol.

The SEC has the highest attendance and the highest TV ratings - by a mile. Add in Texas and OU and the gap will be astronomical.

P12 tv ratings and competitiveness have been on a long steady decline. Enjoy your cultural cohesion but that will have zero bearing on TV deals.

Seriously. There are more LSU fans that watch their games outside the stadium than fans inside PAC12 stadiums.

[Uncle Ted]

I don't understand why the SEC adding Oklahoma and Texas means that the B1G or the Pac 12 need to do something. They already have much bigger markets than the SEC. They are already teeming with interesting teams. We always knew the Big 12 was broken. The B1G and Pac 12 have cultural cohesion. Seems to me they need to stick to their knitting and work on improving their existing teams and TV deals. How am I wrong? (I wouldn't mind Kansas's basketball team in the Pac 12.) I think this may just be a cluster of idiot sportswriters.

Maybe this will help you understand...

16-Team SEC Could Earn More Revenue Than NCAA

Things are moving quickly in Texas and Oklahoma’s crusade to join the SEC. Money is a big factor in the two schools trying to join the toughest football conference in America and USA Today reports that a 16-team SEC could outearn the NCAA in total revenue by 2025.

The publication poured through documents and discussed with industry experts to conclude the league could make close to $1.3 billion in annual revenue by the 2024-25 school year. That figure is right around where the NCAA projects to be if payment’s for the NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament increase to $990 million per year as expected in 2025.
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https://barrettsportsmedia.com/2021/...m-sec-revenue/

The PAC and B1G need to cut the deadweight and merge.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Seriously. There are more LSU fans that watch their games outside the stadium than fans inside PAC12 stadiums.

Yep.

Check out the attendance stats for 2019 (2020 doesn't count - pandemic).

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/footba...dance/2019.pdf

10 of the top 15 schools are from one conference: SEC (new SEC with Texas/OU).

Only 2 P12 schools in the top 30 (UW, USC).

BYU had better attendance that all P12 teams except UW. Stanford (STANFORD!) only averaged 37K.

P12 dead last among P5 conferences for attendance. Their numbers are closer to the MWC than they are to the SEC.

Would be really interesting to see where the P12 would land in terms of attendance and TV ratings if you took out USC/UW/Oregon.

[Uncle Ted]

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[SeattleUte]

Cultural cohesion. Lol.

The SEC has the highest attendance and the highest TV ratings - by a mile. Add in Texas and OU and the gap will be astronomical.

P12 tv ratings and competitiveness have been on a long steady decline. Enjoy your cultural cohesion but that will have zero bearing on TV deals.

But this is just about culture and values. The Pac 12 has the biggest markets. Football is not as popular there. That's not going to change with realignment.

[Uncle Ted]

Yep.

Check out the attendance stats for 2019 (2020 doesn't count - pandemic).

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/footba...dance/2019.pdf

10 of the top 15 schools are from one conference: SEC (new SEC with Texas/OU).

Only 2 P12 schools in the top 30 (UW, USC).

BYU had better attendance that all P12 teams except UW. Stanford (STANFORD!) only averaged 37K.

P12 dead last among P5 conferences for attendance. Their numbers are closer to the MWC than they are to the SEC.

Would be really interesting to see where the P12 would land in terms of attendance and TV ratings if you took out USC/UW/Oregon.

Man, I didn't realize there was so much deadweight in the PAC. USC should seriously consider going independent.

[Jeff Lebowski]

But this is just about culture and values. The Pac 12 has the biggest markets. Football is not as popular there. That's not going to change with realignment.

What good is a bigger market if they don't care about your product?

By the way, I agree with you that the P12 will most likely sit tight and ride it out. They don't really have a lot of options considering their geography and elitism ... err ... cultural cohesion.

[SeattleUte]

Yep.

Check out the attendance stats for 2019 (2020 doesn't count - pandemic).

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/footba...dance/2019.pdf

10 of the top 15 schools are from one conference: SEC (new SEC with Texas/OU).

Only 2 P12 schools in the top 30 (UW, USC).

BYU had better attendance that all P12 teams except UW. Stanford (STANFORD!) only averaged 37K.

P12 dead last among P5 conferences for attendance. Their numbers are closer to the MWC than they are to the SEC.

Would be really interesting to see where the P12 would land in terms of attendance and TV ratings if you took out USC/UW/Oregon.

So this is why the B1G should combine with some Pac 12 teams?

[tooblue]

The BIG has to act. If the playoff stays at 4 teams, three will come from the SEC. Adding the two LA (USC, UCLA) teams from the PAC is the most logical option:

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