The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Jarid in Cedar]

Wow, with the NCAA and ACC doing this, Duke is going to have to play all of their post season basketball games outside of their home state. That's probably never happened before.

There is probably a Duke exception somewhere in the fine print...

[OceanBlue]

The ACC follows the NCAA's action.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/politics/hb...-hb2/318844359

I won't connect the dots vis-à-vis BYU and its Big 12 application so as not to annoy creekster.

John Swafford should be last person talking about principle and honor. A shitty corrupt person if there ever was one.

[Blueintheface]

John Swafford should be last person talking about principle and honor. A shitty corrupt person if there ever was one.

"It's not about pointing out your own flaws. It's about pointing out the flaws in others." - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Wow, with the NCAA and ACC doing this, Duke is going to have to play all of their post season basketball games outside of their home state. That's probably never happened before.

Someone in the ACC just realized this will make it harder on Duke and UNC and is rapidly trying to change the decision.

[Katy Lied]

"It's not about pointing out your own flaws. It's about pointing out the flaws in others." - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov

I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop...

[Uncle Ted]

Boren stirred it up but now seems to be throwing cold water on the Big 12 expansion topic...

Big 12 expansion 'not a sure thing,' OU president David Boren says

Oklahoma president and Big 12 board chair David Boren said Wednesday that Big 12 expansion is "not a sure thing" and that he is "not certain" there will be any decision on expansion at the league's next board meeting in October.


"I would just caution you and say, I would not take expansion as a given," Boren said after the university regents meeting on Oklahoma's campus in Tulsa. "I'm not saying there won't be expansion. But I'm not saying it can be automatically assumed that there will be expansion."

The Big 12 announced in July that it was authorizing commissioner Bob Bowlsby to explore expansion and begin negotiation with potential candidates.


Last week, conference leaders met with officials from 11 candidates in Dallas for roughly two hours apiece, sources told ESPN.com.


"They've all done an excellent job at putting their best foot forward and showing their strengths," Boren said of the list of expansion finalists, which comprise Air Force, BYU, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Colorado State, Connecticut, Houston, Rice, SMU, South Florida and Tulane. "The question at the end of the day is, can we say with certainty, that expansion would add strength to the conference? I think there's a lot of discussion that will have to go on before we reach that decision."

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"We do have a relationship to maintain, not only short term, but long term with the networks," Boren said. "When you have a partnership and you have a friendship, it isn't just for today, it's long term. And I think you have to think about long-term implications in any action we take. If we were to expand by two teams, four teams, that has financial implications for the networks. I think we have to see if that adds to the long-term stability or not."

The Big 12 presidents are scheduled to meet again Oct. 17 in Irving, Texas, where expansion likely will be the hot topic.


Even though Bowlsby has encouraged the league not to drag out the expansion discussion, Boren said it was unlikely that there would be a special meeting before October, and that the league was "not going to rush into any particular decision."


"I'm not certain there will be a decision at the October board meeting on expansion at this time," he said. "We're going to look at every way in which we can make the conference stronger and better. But I'm not sure the automatic answer to that is expansion.


"The situation is still pretty fluid."

http://www.espn.com/college-football...not-sure-thing

He does understand that a long term relationship with the networks might be a good thing.

[RC Vikings]

Don't overreact. There's still a place for you. I know bob Jones is a member.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ic_Association

Alas, I don't know if the Utes will be able to play BYU. It depends on what the NCAA and the Pac 12 want.

We could totally win a lot of championships in that division.

Could form a nice little rivalry with Yellowstone Christian College

[USUC]

Can you put much stock in statements like this? I know university presidents have to politic as well, so maybe there is a way for them to vote BYU in while being supportive of what these student governments want. But I'm convinced that BYU won't get the invite without changes of some sort to the honor code. There is just no way the Big-12 presidents can move forward with BYU with the honor code as is.

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[byu71]

But I'm convinced that BYU won't get the invite without changes of some sort to the honor code. There is just no way the Big-12 presidents can move forward with BYU with the honor code as is.

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What changes. I am pretty sure the honor code won't be changed under the pressure of outsiders wanting it changed.

While I think the athletic program is very important to BYU, I am probably in the minority when it comes to church membership. No tears would be shed by the "ALUF" types if the programs were terminated.

It would be nice if someone could quantify the positives that come from athletics. I imagine the church would have to pour more money into BYUtv if athletics were no longer available. No concession stands for local wards or stakes to do fund raisers. No more sweet changes to facilities that the rest of the University can use rent free. I also imagine donations to the general fund would go down.

Money vs principal. I think if it came to that the church would choose what they perceive as principal.

[lambdacoug]

What changes. I am pretty sure the honor code won't be changed under the pressure of outsiders wanting it changed.

While I think the athletic program is very important to BYU, I am probably in the minority when it comes to church membership. No tears would be shed by the "ALUF" types if the programs were terminated.

It would be nice if someone could quantify the positives that come from athletics. I imagine the church would have to pour more money into BYUtv if athletics were no longer available. No concession stands for local wards or stakes to do fund raisers. No more sweet changes to facilities that the rest of the University can use rent free. I also imagine donations to the general fund would go down.

Money vs principal. I think if it came to that the church would choose what they perceive as principal.

[SeattleUte]

I think he meant money vs. principle.

[Blueintheface]

Brock, do you have a picture of a vuvuzela being blown from another orifice? TIA

[snowcat]

Brock, do you have a picture of a vuvuzela being blown from another orifice? TIA

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[Lost Student]

What changes. I am pretty sure the honor code won't be changed under the pressure of outsiders wanting it changed.

While I think the athletic program is very important to BYU, I am probably in the minority when it comes to church membership. No tears would be shed by the "ALUF" types if the programs were terminated.

It would be nice if someone could quantify the positives that come from athletics. I imagine the church would have to pour more money into BYUtv if athletics were no longer available. No concession stands for local wards or stakes to do fund raisers. No more sweet changes to facilities that the rest of the University can use rent free. I also imagine donations to the general fund would go down.

Money vs principal. I think if it came to that the church would choose what they perceive as principal.

It's already happening.

BYU71 called it: Sci-Fi shows are replacing our beloved BYU athletics.

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/exti...es-1201858480/

[Blueintheface]

It's already happening.

BYU71 called it: Sci-Fi shows are replacing our beloved BYU athletics.

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/exti...es-1201858480/

It's preemptive for forfeiting our tv rights for inclusion into the BigXII, duh.