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  • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
    I am not so sure BYU wants to join a conference.

    I think they are very happy with BYU TV broadcasting games worldwide, even if they are games with Weber St., Idaho St., Idaho, et. al.

    It is easier to cater to the casual fan and if you have a schedule like next year now and then, you can keep the interest of quite a few of the more than casual fans.

    If they can pull off a undefeated season this year and go to a BCS, the need to join a conference loses even more steam.


    I think they value not having to work with anyone and do relish being able to call all their own shots.

    If the downside is they lose the interest of some of the die hard fans and contributors, so be it. This isn't about providing the best on field product. By on field I mean games.
    Not bloody likely! Haven't your seen our Massey thread?
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    • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
      Not bloody likely! Haven't your seen our Massey thread?
      Well, after week 2 it appears we have two tough games left. One of them is on the road, ND. The other is at home Oregon St.

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      • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
        Well, after week 2 it appears we have two tough games left. One of them is on the road, ND. The other is at home Oregon St.

        lol.

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        • Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
          The ACC TV deal will also be renegotiated now that ND will be featured regularly every year.

          One thing that is concerning is the existing schedule for BYU and ND. 5 ACC teams, SC, Navy, Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue every year doesn't leave a lot of room.
          Even less room when Stanford is included. Notre Dame will probably have to drop a couple of these teams but it won't be USC or Navy.
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          • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
            Not really that surprising if you consider where the ND fans are.
            Chicago?

            J/K. Where are they? DC? Atlanta?
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            • Originally posted by byu71 View Post
              Well, after week 2 it appears we have two tough games left. One of them is on the road, ND. The other is at home Oregon St.
              Did you forget about Boise? And Saturday will be no cakewalk.

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              • Originally posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
                Did you forget about Boise? And Saturday will be no cakewalk.
                No I didn't forget about Boise or this Saturday. Both of those teams have a loss and I am commited Bronco believer.

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                • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                  Not really that surprising if you consider where the ND fans are.
                  Or when academics is factored in and Notre Dame definitely factors it in. Losing Texas A&M, Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri hurt the Big 12 academically.

                  Still, Notre Dame is a better fit in the Big Ten even when one considers where its fans are located. The Big Ten is also at least as good a fit as the ACC when academics are considered. But Jim Delany never offered the Irish a spot in the Big Ten without including football. It was all-in or all-out and ND was all too happy to stay out despite being a good fit in the Big Ten.

                  This development does bode well for BYU and the Big 12. But I'm not too sure BYU wants in the Big 12 - think byu71 is right on target.

                  There was a time when I really wanted BYU in the Big 12 and looked forward to BYU playing Nebraska and Texas A&M in conference games. Now, I don't care. Not sure what would be better for BYU sports; becomming another Baylor in the Big 12 and compiling 7-5 seasons or staying independent and going 10-2 and being on the outside looking in.
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                  • Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                    Or when academics is factored in and Notre Dame definitely factors it in. Losing Texas A&M, Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri hurt the Big 12 academically.

                    Still, Notre Dame is a better fit in the Big Ten even when one considers where its fans are located. The Big Ten is also at least as good a fit as the ACC when academics are considered. But Jim Delany never offered the Irish a spot in the Big Ten without including football. It was all-in or all-out and ND was all too happy to stay out despite being a good fit in the Big Ten.

                    This development does bode well for BYU and the Big 12. But I'm not too sure BYU wants in the Big 12 - think byu71 is right on target.

                    There was a time when I really wanted BYU in the Big 12 and looked forward to BYU playing Nebraska and Texas A&M in conference games. Now, I don't care. Not sure what would be better for BYU sports; becomming another Baylor in the Big 12 and compiling 7-5 seasons or staying independent and going 10-2 and being on the outside looking in.
                    lol. knock it off.
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                    • Or when academics is factored in and Notre Dame definitely factors it in. Losing Texas A&M, Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri hurt the Big 12 academically.
                      Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post

                      lol. knock it off.
                      Per US News & World Report 2013 College Rankings
                      Old Big 12:
                      Texas - 46
                      Texas A&M - 65
                      Baylor - 77
                      Colorado - 97
                      Missouri - 97
                      Iowa St. - 101
                      Nebraska - 101
                      Oklahoma - 101
                      Kansas - 106
                      Kansas St. - 139
                      Oklahoma St. - 139
                      Texas Tech - 165

                      In short, Nebraska was in the top half of the "old" Big 12 academically and ranked with Iowa St. and Oklahoma and not too far below Colorado and Missouri. When Texas A&M, Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri left the Big 12, the conference lost half of the top 8 ranked schools (per US News) and four of seven AAU members at the time.

                      Nebraska is not the "Harvard of the Midwest" but they are a decent school academically. The Big Ten would not have accepted them otherwise.
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                      • Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                        Per US News & World Report 2013 College Rankings
                        Old Big 12:
                        Texas - 46
                        Texas A&M - 65
                        Baylor - 77
                        Colorado - 97
                        Missouri - 97
                        Iowa St. - 101
                        Nebraska - 101
                        Oklahoma - 101
                        Kansas - 106
                        Kansas St. - 139
                        Oklahoma St. - 139
                        Texas Tech - 165

                        In short, Nebraska was in the top half of the "old" Big 12 academically and ranked with Iowa St. and Oklahoma and not too far below Colorado and Missouri. When Texas A&M, Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri left the Big 12, the conference lost half of the top 8 ranked schools (per US News) and four of seven AAU members at the time.

                        Nebraska is not the "Harvard of the Midwest" but they are a decent school academically. The Big Ten would not have accepted them otherwise.
                        Northwestern - 12
                        Michigan - 29
                        Wisconsin - 41
                        Penn State - 46
                        Illinois - 46
                        Ohio State - 56
                        Purdue - 65
                        Minnesota - 68
                        Michigan State - 72
                        Iowa - 72
                        Indiana - 83
                        Nebraska - 101

                        I don't dispute where Nebraska was ranked within the B12, a conference almost entirely bereft of academic reputation.

                        Looking at how Nebraska stacks up in the B1G makes it pretty clear that academics didn't factor into that decision. Nebraska ranks dead last in the conference. It was not added for its academics, it was added in spite of its academics.
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                        • BYU - 68. we would fit nicely in the Big 12 and easily take up the academic whole that nebraska left.

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                          • Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                            Looking at how Nebraska stacks up in the B1G makes it pretty clear that academics didn't factor into that decision. Nebraska ranks dead last in the conference. It was not added for its academics, it was added in spite of its academics.
                            It's clear that the expansion choices of the past few years have not had an ounce of academic consideration. The notable exception is the PAC 12 whose decision was primarily an academic one in choosing the prestigious research institutions Utah and Colorado.
                            Last edited by wapiti; 09-12-2012, 01:21 PM. Reason: misspelling

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                            • BYU will not be invited anytime. The big 12 will go east if they go at all. BYU is too far away and poses too many issues. We are independent and will be for a long time.
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                              • Originally posted by wapiti View Post
                                It's clear that the expansion choices of the past few years have not had an ounce of academic consideration. The notable exception is the PAC 12 whose decision was primarily an academic one in choosing the prestigious research institutions Utah and Colorado.
                                *snicker*
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