The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[BYUMizzou]

I'm going to assume that anyone who agrees that the WCC is a nice fit for BYU is lying.

Why? Because we dominated the WCC last year?

[U-Ute]

ugh i gotta stop this non-login thing

Unless you are super paranoid about someone posting incriminating information on CUF under your name, there is a "Remember me" checkbox near where you type in your login info.

[U-Ute]

I actually finished reading all of that. I now have a brain tumor.

I nodded off after the first 2 sentences.

Can anyone give me the tl;dr version?

[ERCougar]

Why? Because we dominated the WCC last year?

Exactly.

We never would have made the tournament if we had been in the MWC this year. I don't mind the WCC.

[TripletDaddy]

I agree with his football take, disagree with hoops.

Football: his stated point was that independence isn't going to kill BYU football and it is better than staying in the old MWC. He also made a concerted effort to stress that it is NOT necessarily better than being in the B12. I don't have a problem with that. In fact, I don't see why he is wrong on that front. All that dicta about Notre Dame was irrelevant to his main point. It was distracting, if anything, but doesn't detract from his core point.

Basketball: his point is that he likes the WCC more than the MWC. I disagree. I would rather play New Mexico, SDSU, and UNLV than Gonzaga and St Mary's. However I will admit that the gap is narrowing. Gonzaga is a high profile team year in and year out. And St. Mary's is respectable. I can live with that trade-off. The rest of the MWC is the same crap as the rest of the WCC so to me that is an even split.

I also completely disagree with his attempt to even assert that the WCC is preferable or comparable to being in the B12. What a joke. Kansas, K-State, Texas, West Virginia, Baylor...wtf is he thinking? He said he likes playing in small gyms? I can get with his claim that BYU can "still accomplish its goals" in the WCC (assuming the goal is to make the Dance and be on TV). But that doesn't put both conferences on par with one another, not by a longshot.

Overall, his article was way too long and didn't really offer anything new. The timing is odd, as well. Why write that article now?

[LiveCoug]

I couldn't get past his love for the WCC. Like DDD, I agree with his football takes.

[Mormon Red Death]

Overall, his article was way too long and didn't really offer anything new. The timing is odd, as well. Why write that article now?

Because byu has been sabotaged so it looks like Indy football and WCC other sports is long term solution.

[Jacob]

Why? Because we dominated the WCC last year?

Yes. Exactly. Because WCC is a terrible conference with nobody schools. I have no interest in watching 90% of the conference games.

[TripletDaddy]

Because byu has been sabotaged so it looks like Indy football and WCC other sports is long term solution.

Are you suggesting he wrote this in response to Swaim's tweets?

I suppose that is as good a hypothesis as any. And it would explain the timing. How funny. What does someone like Wrubell get out of countering Swaim's tweets? These guys must be bored in the offseason.

[byu71]

Are you suggesting he wrote this in response to Swaim's tweets?

I suppose that is as good a hypothesis as any. And it would explain the timing. How funny. What does someone like Wrubell get out of countering Swaim's tweets? These guys must be bored in the offseason.

I think a lot of fan apathy has set into the program. BYU is not good at leveling with the fan base. Maybe no program really is. That being said I think they are going to make an effort to "persuade" as much as possible that BYU fans still have it really good.

Anger or frustration still shows fan interest. Apathy is a worse problem to deal with.

[BYUMizzou]

Yes. Exactly. Because WCC is a terrible conference with nobody schools. I have no interest in watching 90% of the conference games.

It's little different than the MWC.

In 2011-12, we were 12-4 in conference play, with the 4 losses by an average of 13.75 points, and the 12 wins by an average of 17.33 points

In 2010-11, we were 14-2 in conference play with the 2 losses by an average of 13.5 points, and the 14 wins by an average of 17.5 points.

In 2009-10 we were 13-3 in conference play with the 3 losses by an average of 6.67 points, and the 13 wins by an average of 20.54 points.

If anything, the WCC is marginally more competitive than the MWC was.

[LiveCoug]

It's little different than the MWC.

In 2011-12, we were 12-4 in conference play, with the 4 losses by an average of 13.75 points, and the 12 wins by an average of 17.33 points

In 2010-11, we were 14-2 in conference play with the 2 losses by an average of 13.5 points, and the 14 wins by an average of 17.5 points.

In 2009-10 we were 13-3 in conference play with the 3 losses by an average of 6.67 points, and the 13 wins by an average of 20.54 points.

If anything, the WCC is marginally more competitive than the MWC was.

This type of reasoning does nothing for me. Perception is reality and the WCC is perceived (rightfully so, IMO) as a cute little crap conference. That's all it is. Couldn't care less about any of the teams in the WCC. At all. If the MWC invited us back for all sports but football, I'd do that in a heartbeat (over the WCC, not over the Big 12)

[byu71]

It's little different than the MWC.

In 2011-12, we were 12-4 in conference play, with the 4 losses by an average of 13.75 points, and the 12 wins by an average of 17.33 points

In 2010-11, we were 14-2 in conference play with the 2 losses by an average of 13.5 points, and the 14 wins by an average of 17.5 points.

In 2009-10 we were 13-3 in conference play with the 3 losses by an average of 6.67 points, and the 13 wins by an average of 20.54 points.

If anything, the WCC is marginally more competitive than the MWC was.

I am sure you didn't forget the 10-11 and 9-10 teams were superior teams to the 11-12 team or did you?

[BYUMizzou]

This type of reasoning does nothing for me. Perception is reality and the WCC is perceived (rightfully so, IMO) as a cute little crap conference. That's all it is. Couldn't care less about any of the teams in the WCC. At all. If the MWC invited us back for all sports but football, I'd do that in a heartbeat (over the WCC, not over the Big 12)

For me, it would depend on what the MWC would look like. It's a moot point, though, because the MWC already told BYU that they couldn't play with them unless they were a football member.

Once BYU went independent in football, the olympic sports had to go somewhere. Where else would you put them? The WAC? Big West? Big Sky? What's a better alternative?

[LiveCoug]

For me, it would depend on what the MWC would look like. It's a moot point, though, because the MWC already told BYU that they couldn't play with them unless they were a football member.

Once BYU went independent in football, the olympic sports had to go somewhere. Where else would you put them? The WAC? Big West? Big Sky? What's a better alternative?

No better alternative. It's really all there is. But I don't like it.

Yes, I really it's the best they can do, but any justifications to make it look better than it is is hard to swallow for me. It's turd polishing, plain and simple.