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  • Bronco's comments on a radio show today (around the 8:45 mark here):

    Host: [Speaking of potential BCS conference invitations and suggesting Texas could be an in-conference game in the future] Is this one of the pearls of being an independent, that if you're no longer affiliated, then you can take on all requests, all invitations?

    Bronco: It was one of the real reasons for our independence, the main reason being exposure for our governing and sponsoring institution, which is the church here at BYU. [. . .] Now, in terms of if someone does want us, which I think could very well happen, they have to want all of what we are, and not just some of it. And sometimes the lack of Sunday play worries people, sometimes the religious affiliation worries people. But really, if they want great education and a very unique institution that wins and does a lot of good things in the athletic department, it would be a great fit.
    "What are you prepared to do?" - Jimmy Malone

    "What choice?" - Abe Petrovsky

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    • Chip's latest:

      http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1263009
      "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

      - Ty Cobb

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      • Two sources close to the five-member Big 12 expansion committee said they were close to reeling in two schools to replace Texas A&M before Boren's comments shook the foundation of the league.

        Those schools are believed to be BYU and Pittsburgh. Louisville was also a school under consideration by the Big 12, sources said.

        All three of those schools would stand to enjoy a huge pay raise in TV revenue in the Big 12, where they would stand to make roughly $18 million next year. Schools in the Big East make less than half of that, and BYU received roughly $2 million in TV revenue last year.
        That would be a nice pay raise. Glad we turned down the Big East.
        So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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        • Are there still independence holdouts over on CB? Where is shogun-guy?
          "In conclusion, let me give a shout-out to dirty sex. What a great thing it is" - Northwestcoug
          "And you people wonder why you've had extermination orders issued against you." - landpoke
          "Can't . . . let . . . foolish statements . . . by . . . BYU fans . . . go . . . unanswered . . . ." - LA Ute

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          • The longer it takes the noteo worried I am Oklahoma wont commit.

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            • Originally posted by Maximus View Post
              the noteo
              Ute-ī sunt fīmī differtī

              It can't all be wedding cake.

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              • Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
                I'm gonna guess that was "the more" entered on an iPad or iPhone.

                Pitt seems like kind of a weird school to bring in, but I guess if the long-term plan is to get Notre Dame it makes sense.

                I would love seeing Pitt come here for basketball.

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                • Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
                  Por lo menos te has mantenido firme en que BYU no mas estara independiente. Es la unica cosa en que te has mantenido consistente, pero es algo, pues. (Doc wuap can insert the tildes as he so desires).
                  You don't need any tildes; I shudder to think that one such as you would confuse acentos con tildes. Esto es casi imperdonable. También, hay una diferencia entre "no más estará independiente" y "no estará independiente más," una gran diferencia que deberías poder notar si lo lees otra vez pensando en el sentido que el sintaxis les da a las palabras que usaste. And finally, I can make a case for ser over estar in this case, for while it is a condition or a state, it's also a quality, like "libre." It could go either way though.
                  "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                  The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                  • I don't know if this has been posted (Chip Brown)... I have been at HS football all night and haven't read all the crap you guys have been posting.

                    Realignment update ...

                    EQUAL REVENUE SHARING IN B12? Desperate times call for desperate measures, and eight of the nine remaining members of the Big 12 appear to be in agreement to have equal revenue sharing from the Tier 1 (ABC/ESPN) television contract that runs through 2015-16, multiple sources said.

                    The move, which is being pushed by Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds, according to sources, is aimed at trying to hold a beleaguered conference together after a week of intense acrimony.

                    The Big 12 has never had equal revenue sharing from its Tier 1 television rights in the 16-year history of the conference. In a gesture of unity, the Big 12 agreed in April to equal revenue sharing from its second-tier television rights with Fox upon signing a 13-year, $1.17 billion deal.

                    Unequal revenue sharing in the Big 12 has long been a complaint among the schools with the smallest athletic budgets in the conference. Currently, the unequal revenue sharing in the Tier 1 rights allows the schools who appear on TV the most to collect the most money.

                    But that would change under the new proposal, sources said.

                    The sources said there appears to be consensus among eight of the nine remaining schools in the conference to share Tier 1 revenue equally. Oklahoma has yet to weigh in on the matter, sources said.


                    TEXAS A&M AND SEC TALK: Texas A&M, meanwhile, remains staunch in its focus on becoming the 13th member of the Southeastern Conference. A&M officials had a conference call with SEC officials Friday at noon to discuss the Aggies' path to the SEC.

                    "The events of this week have not changed our plans in regards to the Big 12," an A&M official told Orangebloods.com. "Our primary focus is on the SEC at the current time."

                    Two sources close to A&M said reports of the Aggies considering going independent in 2012 while waiting to join the SEC are not valid because A&M officials haven't even gotten that far yet.


                    DON'T MESS WITH TXDOT'S SLOGAN: Sources said Friday the Texas Department of Transportation ordered Baylor officials to cease and desist using the "Don't Mess with Texas" slogan in a BU website post that read, "Don't Mess With Texas Football." It was a post that asked fans of football to reach out to Texas A&M, Texas and Texas Tech for "clear-headed thinking."

                    "Texans must stand up and call the leadership of the University of Texas, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech to clear-headed thinking about the state's future.

                    "Readers can click the 'Take a Stand Now' button and email regents and decision-makers at Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech."

                    BU officials complied and had it removed within 30 minutes.


                    BU TICKETS RETURNED TO A&M: Texas A&M officials said Friday that Baylor had sold only 830 tickets from its allotment of 3,850 for the Oct. 15 A&M-BU game at Kyle Field in College Station.

                    A&M officials said only Idaho sold less (264) among the seven visiting teams playing at Kyle Field this season.

                    WHAT'S NEXT? The SEC has indicated it won't budge on admitting Texas A&M until it is released from legal liability by schools in the Big 12.

                    Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State have indicated they will not release the SEC from such liability. Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Oklahoma have indicated they would not sue the SEC.

                    Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin has said he feels like A&M "is being held hostage" by certain members of the Big 12.

                    Two sources close to Texas A&M have said the Aggies' options include delaying their joining the SEC until 2013 and going independent in 2012.

                    One Big 12 administrator said the SEC would be released from legal liability and Texas A&M would be free to leave the Big 12 after the 2011-12 academic year as long as Oklahoma was willing to recommit to the Big 12. Others in the Big 12 have disputed that contention.

                    It was one week ago today that OU president David Boren sounded alarms that the Sooners were actively looking at other conference options and raised more questions about the long-term viability of the Big 12.

                    Boren said OU would have a decision about its future within a window of three days to three weeks. The rest of the conference is still waiting to hear from the Sooners.

                    Last Friday night Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call with the league's presidents - excluding Texas, OU and Texas A&M - extolling those on the call to "work on Texas," sources said.

                    It was Beebe's belief that the Pac-12 would not invite OU without Texas and that if UT stayed in the Big 12, the Sooners would stay.

                    While it appears OU has its eye on the Pac-12, there is doubt about if the Pac-12 would be willing to invite the Sooners right now. Commissioner Larry Scott has indicated the Pac-12 won't be the first conference to initiate expansion and possibly trigger mass realignment in college athletics.

                    Two sources close to the five-member Big 12 expansion committee said they were close to reeling in two schools to replace Texas A&M before Boren's comments shook the foundation of the league.

                    Those schools are believed to be BYU and Pittsburgh. Louisville was also a school under consideration by the Big 12, sources said.

                    All three of those schools would stand to enjoy a huge pay raise in TV revenue in the Big 12, where they would stand to make roughly $18 million next year. Schools in the Big East make less than half of that, and BYU received roughly $2 million in TV revenue last year.

                    But the recent instability in the Big 12 has undoubtedly shaken the view of any potential new members.

                    Oklahoma State president Burns Hargis tried to do some damage control Thursday when he told reporters OSU was committed to the Big 12. Last Saturday, OSU booster Boone Pickens said he thought the Cowboys would be members of the Pac-12 and didn't think the Big 12 would be around in five years.

                    “I think (the Big 12) can exist,” Hargis told CBSSports.com. “I don’t think it’s a feat accompli A&M is gone. Obviously the SEC had a string on their bid.”

                    The question is if equal revenue sharing in TV money will instill enough confidence in OU to recommit to the Big 12. Or will it take more?

                    Stay tuned.
                    "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                    "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                    "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                    • This will become a bigger deal over time.

                      Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                      Can't wait to hear a Jayhawk response to how high a Wildcat says to jump. As a Nebraska fan, I always liked Kansas. Perhaps because it was understood that the beating Nebraska delivered on the gridiron were returned in kind by the Jayhawks on the basketball floor.

                      I'll miss the Nebraska-Kansas rivalry - one of the longest in football. I won't miss EMAW.
                      UNL is gonna look back on this one like they look back on OU/UNL. Mark Cuban is wrong. College football ain't about matchups. That's reality teevee. It's about tradition. There was nothing more traditional than the Huskers and the Jayhawks. Iowa/UNL may be a better matchup. But Iowa/UNL doesn't have Gayle Sayer's 99 yard run. Everyone who was at the end of the streak in 2005 whether they be Huskers or Jayhawkers remembers it as one of the best college football experiences they ever witnessed.

                      As for Silo Tech backing UT into a corner, something to be said for being good and neighborly. UT is backed into a corner over the LHN. It now needs friends and help. We'll be happy to oblige and get the conference fixed, and in fixing the Big 12, we'll save college football from itself for another generation. The only thing that sucks is that UNL isn't right here w/ us like they've always been.

                      Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou
                      Last edited by Red Legger; 09-10-2011, 05:20 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                        That would be a nice pay raise. Glad we turned down the Big East.
                        The exciting part isn't that the Big XII would be a raise over last year it is that it will even be a raise over this year's revenue from our Independent contracts (which is substantial).

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                        • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                          I don't know if this has been posted (Chip Brown)... I have been at HS football all night and haven't read all the crap you guys have been posting.
                          Baylor only sold 830 tickets

                          Isn't Waco like 1.5 hours away from College Station. Geez, BYU brought a couple thousand to Mississippi.
                          "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                          • Larry Scott doesn't want to expand PAC-12:

                            http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...ng-Pac-12.html

                            Acknowledging that Scott doesn't make the final decision, this is good news if true.
                            “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                            ― W.H. Auden


                            "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                            -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


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                            • Originally posted by Red Legger View Post
                              Iowa/UNL doesn't have Gayle Sayer's 99 yard run.
                              You can't be much of a Kansas fan if you don't know how to spell the name of your best halfback of all time. It's Gale Sayers, not Gayle Sayer. Wow.

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                              • Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                                Baylor only sold 830 tickets

                                Isn't Waco like 1.5 hours away from College Station. Geez, BYU brought a couple thousand to Mississippi.
                                It's called a boycott.

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