The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[PaloAltoCougar]

Well, anti-Mormonism in the 19th century led to geographic isolation which isn't exactly helping the case at the moment.

The slavers who ran us off in the 19th Century use the remote location they inflicted on us as an excuse for not associating with us now. Really mean.

[TripletDaddy]

Neinas says that people need to stop asking the question with no answer. I noticed that when he is asked directly he sidesteps the question entirely. I'm guessing that there is actually an answer.

[The_Douger]

I think there is more to it, but he isn't going to get on there and say "Well, BYU did this or that and that is why they aren't invited now"

The Big 12 is run by a bunch of buffoons. Go to 12, have a title game with divisions, and quit being idiots. I hope they get left out of the playoff indefinitely.

[Omaha 680]

I think there is more to it, but he isn't going to get on there and say "Well, BYU did this or that and that is why they aren't invited now"

The Big 12 is run by a bunch of buffoons. Go to 12, have a title game with divisions, and quit being idiots. I hope they get left out of the playoff indefinitely.

I thought it already came out that the NCAA was going to allow the championship game at 10. Was I reading too much into headlines?

[Uncle Ted]

I thought it already came out that the NCAA was going to allow the championship game at 10. Was I reading too much into headlines?

It depends it the headline came from something that Bowlsby said.

So after some soul searching and discussion, the Big 12 is now pursuing NCAA deregulation that would allow it the option to hold a championship game with just 10 teams, instead of the current requirement of 12. Bowlsby said it could make its way out of the Division I Football Oversight Committee by this fall before a vote by FBS conferences. But Bowlsby doesn’t want to overreact and still wonders if a conference title game is the best solution.

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews....gs-start.html/

So how many FBS conferences are going to vote for letting the Big 12 have a conference champion game with 10 teams? The whole reason the Big 12 doesn't want to expand is there would be less "pie" for everyone. I would think that most FBS conferences would say let them eat less pie.

[wapiti]

The Neinas information is interesting. He's the first credible insider from the Big 12 to go on record as to what led the Big 12 to expand in the direction they did. It sounds like BYU came in 4th. #1 West Virginia #2 TCU #3 Louisville #4 BYU. The former Texas AD has gone on record saying that Texas got on board with TCU after he had a beer with the TCU AD. Louisville had to be ticked when TCU took their spot, but they ended up better off when they got the ACC invite.

[byu71]

I think we ought to drop down a division and become the king maker in that division.

I will bet we will still draw about 50,000. Heck the students have no clue whether they are in a competitive situation or not. Most BYU fans would rather see us play Wagner and win at home than play USC and take a chance of losing.

We wouldn't even have to schedule Utah. Weber and SUU would be natural rivals that we could stomp like we used to do to Utah and USU.

While Utah chases an illusive dream of a national championship, we would be winning them year in and year out.

[imanihonjin]

I think we ought to drop down a division and become the king maker in that division.

I will bet we will still draw about 50,000. Heck the students have no clue whether they are in a competitive situation or not. Most BYU fans would rather see us play Wagner and win at home than play USC and take a chance of losing.

We wouldn't even have to schedule Utah. Weber and SUU would be natural rivals that we could stomp like we used to do to Utah and USU.

While Utah chased an illusive dream of a national championship, we would be winning them year in and year out.

This is a joke, right?

[TripletDaddy]

I think we ought to drop down a division and become the king maker in that division.

I will bet we will still draw about 50,000. Heck the students have no clue whether they are in a competitive situation or not. Most BYU fans would rather see us play Wagner and win at home than play USC and take a chance of losing.

We wouldn't even have to schedule Utah. Weber and SUU would be natural rivals that we could stomp like we used to do to Utah and USU.

While Utah chased an illusive dream of a national championship, we would be winning them year in and year out.

good post.

[byu71]

This is a joke, right?

No it is not. It is a thought for those who want to be competitive at the highest level they can compete in. You know, Priest Quorum's competing in against other Priests quorum's for a championship instead of playing in the adult division.

[Lost Student]

I think we ought to drop down a division and become the king maker in that division.

I will bet we will still draw about 50,000. Heck the students have no clue whether they are in a competitive situation or not. Most BYU fans would rather see us play Wagner and win at home than play USC and take a chance of losing.

We wouldn't even have to schedule Utah. Weber and SUU would be natural rivals that we could stomp like we used to do to Utah and USU.

While Utah chases an illusive dream of a national championship, we would be winning them year in and year out.

If "most BYU fans would rather see us play Wagner and win at home than play USC and take a chance of losing," then wouldn't our attendance go up by dropping to a less competitive division?

[byu71]

[QUOTE=Lost Student;1188334]If "most BYU fans would rather see us play Wagner and win at home than play USC and take a chance of losing," then wouldn't our attendance go up by dropping to a less competitive division?[/QUOTE

"Most BYU fans" would include those who sit on their ass at home and watch the games on BYUtv. They ridicule anyone who dared to complain about home schedules.

They sit on their rah rah butts at home win or lose and whether it is Wagner or USC in LES.

[Paperback Writer]

The Neinas information is interesting. He's the first credible insider from the Big 12 to go on record as to what led the Big 12 to expand in the direction they did. It sounds like BYU came in 4th. #1 West Virginia #2 TCU #3 Louisville #4 BYU. The former Texas AD has gone on record saying that Texas got on board with TCU after he had a beer with the TCU AD. Louisville had to be ticked when TCU took their spot, but they ended up better off when they got the ACC invite.

The continuing problem is that the Big 12 has always been short sighted. It should have added all four programs and gotten back to 12 teams and a CCG.

I doubt Louisville was ever ahead of TCU in the pecking order. Once Texas A&M left, TCU was a lock so that Texas could keep control and have enough "southern" votes in their pocket. All significant Big 12 matters are decided by Texas and OU. Once they make up their minds, the other four southern schools follow suite. Expanding to 12 schools could put that in jeopardy and is, perhaps, another reason why the Big 12 Texas wants to stay at 10 schools. BYU's only hope for Big 12 inclusion is that Notre Dame changes its mind (or is forced) to join a conference.

[lambdacoug]

Most BYU fans would rather see us play Wagner and win at home than play USC and take a chance of losing.

Perhaps your definition of "most" isn't the same as mine.

[Crockett]

The Neinas information is interesting. He's the first credible insider from the Big 12 to go on record as to what led the Big 12 to expand in the direction they did. It sounds like BYU came in 4th. #1 West Virginia #2 TCU #3 Louisville #4 BYU. The former Texas AD has gone on record saying that Texas got on board with TCU after he had a beer with the TCU AD. Louisville had to be ticked when TCU took their spot, but they ended up better off when they got the ACC invite.

Bronco has gone on record saying that Sunday play and church affiliation kept us out of the Big 12 and Pac 12: Link.