The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Omaha 680]

I took the omission as perhaps the best description of Iowa St in the Big 8.

Yeah I just couldn't think of anything for ISU. Basically they were bad, but not historically horrible enough to merit special mention like Kansas State.

[Paperback Writer]

Yeah I just couldn't think of anything for ISU. Basically they were bad, but not historically horrible enough to merit special mention like Kansas State.

To be fair to KSU, oldman Snyder finally got the Wildcat's vision corrected. The Wildcats went bowling with 9+ win seasons the last three years of the Big 8. Then came the Big 12 and folks were worried about the imbalance between divisions. The North was much stronger with Nebraska, Colorado, and KSU all playing good football. OU and UT were a wreck pre Bob Stoops and Mack Brown; A&M was the only decent team in the South. Glory days well they'll pass you by....

[Omaha 680]

To be fair to KSU, oldman Snyder finally got the Wildcat's vision corrected. The Wildcats went bowling with 9+ win seasons the last three years of the Big 8. Then came the Big 12 and folks were worried about the imbalance between divisions. The North was much stronger with Nebraska, Colorado, and KSU all playing good football. OU and UT were a wreck pre Bob Stoops and Mack Brown; A&M was the only decent team in the South. Glory days well they'll pass you by....

Yeah of course. Snyder made them a real program. But before him they were exceptionally bad for a long time. Like worst team in Division I bad.

[lambdacoug]

Yeah of course. Snyder made them a real program. But before him they were exceptionally bad for a long time. Like worst team in Division I bad.

Then he left for a few years and they were bad again, until he came back.

[New Mexican Disaster]

To be fair to KSU, oldman Snyder finally got the Wildcat's vision corrected. The Wildcats went bowling with 9+ win seasons the last three years of the Big 8. Then came the Big 12 and folks were worried about the imbalance between divisions. The North was much stronger with Nebraska, Colorado, and KSU all playing good football. OU and UT were a wreck pre Bob Stoops and Mack Brown; A&M was the only decent team in the South. Glory days well they'll pass you by....

I believe Bill Snyder's given name is the Bucktoothed Wizard or so Red Legger used to say.

[cougjunkie]

Good read on Fabuluje.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/4/2...2015-nfl-draft

[SCcoug]

Monty had former Big 12 commish Chuck Neinas on his show. Sounds like neither BYUtv nor Sunday play was an issue. Also Tom and the boy's didn't make any outlandish demands nor were they a pain in the ass like Viking, dallasviking on shaggybevo, and others have said.

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[Commando]

Monty had former Big 12 commish Chuck Neinas on his show. Sounds like neither BYUtv nor Sunday play was an issue. Also Tom and the boy's didn't make any outlandish demands nor were they a pain in the ass like Viking, dallasviking on shaggybevo, and others have said.

What do you mean, Viking doesn't know what he's talking about??

[The_Douger]

I hate the offseason when we rehash this twice a month until August.

[Commando]

I hate the offseason when we rehash this twice a month until August.

I am approximately 2000% less concerned about the conference we play in than how good we are as a team. Nothing at all matters if we don't win games. I agree that the rabid interest in this topic is wildly disproportionate to its actual importance.

[The_Douger]

I am approximately 2000% less concerned about the conference we play in than how good we are as a team. Nothing at all matters if we don't win games. I agree that the rabid interest in this topic is wildly disproportionate to its actual importance.

I feel in the long term, we need the stability of a P5 conference, but I too am more disappointed in the teams performance, especially last year with who we lost to. I can take losing to Boise. The rest not so much.

[pelagius]

Monty had former Big 12 commish Chuck Neinas on his show. Sounds like neither BYUtv nor Sunday play was an issue. Also Tom and the boy's didn't make any outlandish demands nor were they a pain in the ass like Viking, dallasviking on shaggybevo, and others have said.

Yeah, it seems like the "BYU over-played its hand" narrative has been, in general, undermined or at least never supported by any good evidence. I suppose that's good in the sense that it suggests BYU was probably competent in terms of negotiation. On the other hand, it also suggests BYU is just not a desirable expansion target (then or now). My speculation is that's why the "BYU over-played its hand" narrative has had such traction; it really is a more palatable narrative than the alternative: low market-value.

[SandYFan]

Yeah, it seems like the "BYU over-played its hand" narrative has been, in general, undermined or at least never supported by any good evidence. I suppose that's good in the sense that it suggests BYU was probably competent in terms of negotiation. On the other hand, it also suggests BYU is just not a desirable expansion target (then or now). My speculation is that's why the "BYU over-played its hand" narrative has had such traction; it really is a more palatable narrative than the alternative: low market-value.

I don't get it. No, the Wasatch Front market is not huge, but there are tons of BYU fans in BIG 12 territory, right? That alone has to boost TV ratings and attendance at games throughout the conference.

[YOhio]

Yeah, it seems like the "BYU over-played its hand" narrative has been, in general, undermined or at least never supported by any good evidence. I suppose that's good in the sense that it suggests BYU was probably competent in terms of negotiation. On the other hand, it also suggests BYU is just not a desirable expansion target (then or now). My speculation is that's why the "BYU over-played its hand" narrative has had such traction; it really is a more palatable narrative than the alternative: low market-value.

Anti-Mormonism. The last acceptable bigotry in Amerika.

[pelagius]

Anti-Mormonism. The last acceptable bigotry in Amerika.

Well, anti-Mormonism in the 19th century led to geographic isolation which isn't exactly helping the case at the moment.